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Westminstenders: Operation Shock and Awe

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2020 10:32

The government is launching its get ready for the end of transition campaign which has been dubbed a 'shock and awe' campaign.

In this campaign we will learn all about what Brexit means and what amazing opportunities lie for having increased customs and borders, beaucracy and increased costs. Bet you are all really excited and looking forward to this.

We will also get a 'Farage Garage' in Kent to cope with these wonderful opportunities in traffic jams. This will be something that businesses throughout the country will be super excited to plan for in their socially distanced Zoom meetings or across warehouses with their face masks on. And banks will be delighted to see an uptick in applications in CCJs and debt reconstruction plans.

It will be a super fun time for the under 30s who have zero hours contracts, worked in retail or hospitality. Or should I say 'worked'.

Meanwhile the right to a jury trial has been binned due to 'long covid delays' which are shorter than they were several years ago. The NHS isn't getting the funding it expected, and waiting lists are longer than ever with no way to clear them. The plan to build more hospitals seems to have disappeared with the Nightingales. Many councils are about to go into insolvency and be taken over by accountancy firms. The civil service is being dismantled and conservative loyalists with no experience being put in charge of important functions of state. Communications with the press are being 'streamlined' to make them incredible of holding power to account and only able to repeat government public announcements.

Anyone looking forward to Christmas? When you write a letter to Santa remember to add 'visa application form', 'a sleeping bag for use at Dover', 'tinned tomatoes' and 'packets of seeds to grow your own' to the list.

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 13/07/2020 10:33

Thanks Red

RHTawneyonabus · 13/07/2020 10:34

And I’ve just put my house on the market! Fun times ahead!

SabrinaThwaite · 13/07/2020 10:51

Thanks RTB. Fun times indeed.

DGRossetti · 13/07/2020 10:56

Placemarking with the uniquely British Penguin Cafe Orchestra [1] and a piece written especially for Brexit[2] called Perpetuum Mobile

[1] Saw them in 1987 and 1991
[2] May as well have been.

prettybird · 13/07/2020 11:33

Cat chilled out but you couldn't make up the clusterfuck of all that is happening. If any of that had been postulated during the EU Referendum Campaign, the Leavers would have screamed Project Fear and even the Remainers would have said that it was exaggerating how bad it would be Confused

And remember that scaremongering about Turkey and that if we stayed in the EU, all those immigrants would be arriving from there as they were about to join the EU? which wasn't and still isn't imminent anyway Well, it looks like a trade deal is"close" and there is talk of a separate immigration deal that would grant Turks special status when the UK implements new migration rules in the Brexit era. Confused

The last two paragraphs are very telling, especially the last one Sad

Turkey has retained warmer relations with the UK than other European states, particularly after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan launched a wave of crackdowns following an attempted coup in 2016. As tens of thousands were jailed and dismissed from state jobs, European leaders became increasingly vocal in their condemnation of Mr Erdogan’s authoritarian leadership style.

But the UK has remained largely silent about concerns over the erosion of democracy in Turkey and the two countries' relationship has flourished with both governments keen to seal a trade deal.

https://www.ft.com/content/f641b245-8bf3-4b54-b7d2-13f6b423db45

Westminstenders: Operation Shock and Awe
Peregrina · 13/07/2020 11:45

Where are the keen Brexiters to tell us that a trade deal with Turkey and special immigration deal is exactly what they wanted? Was Farage's poster wasted?

GeistohneGrenzen · 13/07/2020 11:58

Thanks Red

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 13/07/2020 12:01

Thanks red

pointythings · 13/07/2020 12:06

I am looking at house prices and job opportunities back home in Holland now. Seriously.

BlackeyedSusan · 13/07/2020 12:19

Thank you, I think. Doesn't make great reading does it?

DGRossetti · 13/07/2020 12:21

A really nasty press would note that Boris is part Turkish.

BlackeyedSusan · 13/07/2020 12:33

Let's hope our homegrown vaccines actually work too, given we have opted out of EU vaccine group.

Mistigri · 13/07/2020 12:35

Pmk.

Once I've eaten my Covid stockpile. I'll be building supplies of popcorn for this autumn.

FR govt has delayed applications for its own settled status process until October, which means I can procrastinate a bit longer. I have an old (1998) and very dog-eared carte de séjour which I am hoping will help the process.

Mistigri · 13/07/2020 12:42

Also, this reads like a parody but is in fact intended to be serious.

www.politico.eu/article/why-uk-britain-boris-johnson-must-ditch-the-brexit-withdrawal-agreement-deal/

These people are proper fucking nutters.

yoikes · 13/07/2020 12:45

Pmk

prettybird · 13/07/2020 13:08

ShockShockShock Mistigri - you're right, it's so batshit that anyone coming across it in isolation would assume that it was parody Confused What's even more shocking is that he was once Director General of the British Chambers of Commerce Shock

So many being generous misconceptions and not being generous plain lies about historical facts as well Hmm

SabrinaThwaite · 13/07/2020 13:11

@Mistigri

Also, this reads like a parody but is in fact intended to be serious.

www.politico.eu/article/why-uk-britain-boris-johnson-must-ditch-the-brexit-withdrawal-agreement-deal/

These people are proper fucking nutters.

The same John Longworth that was crowing about how Boris had achieved a marvellous deal with the EU back in December 2019?

Another case of Brexiteers having no idea what they were signing up for, despite it pointed out at length at the time.

borntobequiet · 13/07/2020 13:12

PMK once again, thanks...

Clavinova · 13/07/2020 13:24

Where are the keen Brexiters to tell us that a trade deal with Turkey and special immigration deal is exactly what they wanted? Was Farage's poster wasted?

Can't see a problem myself;

"Cavusoglu said Ankara is hoping to negotiate a separate immigration deal that would grant Turks special status when the UK implements new migration rules, according to the report."

“We have been negotiating two separate agreements, one is the FTA [free trade agreement], one is similar to the Ankara Agreement,” said Cavusoglu, referring to a visa scheme pact for Turkish business people predating Britain joining the EU."

MashedPotatoBrainz · 13/07/2020 13:25

I bought a hoodie from the US recently and it really showed how utterly screwed the UK will be without a free trade deal with the EU. Most of my online shopping is from UK companies. There's no way that will be continuing post no deal brexit. All those companies are going to go bust as nobody in the EU will want to pay the additional costs. We'll just look for suppliers in another EU state.

£80 hoodie
£10 delivery
£60 import bill

That's what brexit delivers.

Peregrina · 13/07/2020 13:29

Of course you can't see a problem Clavinova because you have drunk the anti-EU and extreme right wing Kool Aid. But I bet an awful lot of Brexiters don't want to see a lot of Muslim Turks coming to this country.

DGRossetti · 13/07/2020 13:35

If only I'd known how easy it is to just cut and paste ....

Federal Budget Deficits: To $30 Trillion And Beyond

The first estimate of that number will come out in late October, shortly before the Nov. 3 election. Both parties in Congress will want to see it positive. Care to bet we don’t see another stimulus package?

We could have 2020 and 2021 deficits of a combined $6 trillion-plus. Add off-budget spending, and we should see $30 trillion total national debt by the end of 2021.

I naïvely projected total national debt to be $39 trillion by 2030. See, I keep telling you I’m an optimist.

We will be in that $40 trillion range somewhere around 2026-‘27.

We are experiencing a practice round for The Great Reset. Sometime late this year or early next, we need to look at what happened and then think what it will look like in the late 2020s.

www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2020/04/02/federal-budget-deficits-to-30t-and-beyond/


The U.S. Is About to Vastly Increase Its Debt. That’s a Good Thing.

The case is strong for spending a large amount of money in the short term to fend off worse economic woes down the road.

“At this stage, the government can’t be preoccupied with deficits,” he said. “The downside risk of an inadequate response is much more severe.”

“Public debt levels will have increased,” Mario Draghi, the former president of the European Central Bank, said in an essay published this week in The Financial Times. “But the alternative — a permanent destruction of productive capacity and therefore of the fiscal base — would be much more damaging to the economy and eventually to government credit.”

www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/upshot/stimulus-national-debt-coronavirus.html


UK debt now larger than size of whole economy

The UK's debt is now worth more than its economy after the government borrowed a record amount in May.

The £55.2bn figure was nine times higher than in May last year and the highest since records began in 1993.

The borrowing splurge sent total government debt surging to £1.95trn, exceeding the size of the economy for the first time in more than 50 years.

Chancellor Rishi Sunak said the figures confirmed the severe impact the virus was having on public finances.

"The best way to restore our public finances to a more sustainable footing is to safely reopen our economy so people can return to work.

"We've set out our plan to do this in a gradual and safe fashion, including reopening high streets across the country this week, as we kickstart our economic recovery," he added.

Income from tax, National Insurance and VAT all dived in May amid the coronavirus lockdown as spending on support measures soared.

This is the first time debt has been larger than the size of the economy since 1963, but it is not as high as the post-war peak of 258% in 1946-47.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53104734


China debt: how big is it, who owns it and what is next?

The Institute of International Finance (IFF) estimated that China’s total domestic debt hit 317 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) in the first quarter of 2020, up from 300 per cent in the last quarter of 2019 – the largest quarterly increase on record.

China’s National Institution for Finance and Development, a government-linked think tank, put the nation’s overall debt at 245.4 per cent of GDP at the end of 2019, up 6.1 percentage points from the previous year.

China’s consumer debt is the fastest growing segment of overall debt, particularly in the form of mortgage and consumer loans. Household debt rose to 54.3 per cent of China’s GDP in the last quarter of 2019 compared to 51.4 per cent in the last quarter of 2018, according to Institute of International Finance.

China’s foreign debt, including US dollar debt, reached US$2.05 trillion at the end of 2019, compared to US$2.03 trillion in the previous quarter, according to China’s State Administration of Foreign Exchange.

www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3084979/china-debt-how-big-it-who-owns-it-and-what-next

DGRossetti · 13/07/2020 13:39

The problem with that absolutely batshit article from Longworth, is nobody is listening and even fewer care.

As far as the man on the Clapham Omnibus is concerned Brexit happened, so what's his problem.

There's a certain bitter sweet feeling knowing that he is now facing a partisan press who won't hear a bad word about Brexit. Least of all from Brexiteers.

Peregrina · 13/07/2020 13:39

When was the Politico article written? He could just about blame Remainers when May was PM. How can he possibly blame them with Johnson as PM? Has he forgotten that Johnson fronted the Leave Campaign?

DGRossetti · 13/07/2020 13:43

@Peregrina

When was the Politico article written? He could just about blame Remainers when May was PM. How can he possibly blame them with Johnson as PM? Has he forgotten that Johnson fronted the Leave Campaign?
He's whining that Johnson had no choice but to sign the WA. Presumably because the UK held all the cards" ?

I stopped reading when he started saying that the Bible is a cover up and that God actually created England on the 8th day to rule over the universe. The man is clearly deluded.

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