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Westminstenders: Operation Shock and Awe

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2020 10:32

The government is launching its get ready for the end of transition campaign which has been dubbed a 'shock and awe' campaign.

In this campaign we will learn all about what Brexit means and what amazing opportunities lie for having increased customs and borders, beaucracy and increased costs. Bet you are all really excited and looking forward to this.

We will also get a 'Farage Garage' in Kent to cope with these wonderful opportunities in traffic jams. This will be something that businesses throughout the country will be super excited to plan for in their socially distanced Zoom meetings or across warehouses with their face masks on. And banks will be delighted to see an uptick in applications in CCJs and debt reconstruction plans.

It will be a super fun time for the under 30s who have zero hours contracts, worked in retail or hospitality. Or should I say 'worked'.

Meanwhile the right to a jury trial has been binned due to 'long covid delays' which are shorter than they were several years ago. The NHS isn't getting the funding it expected, and waiting lists are longer than ever with no way to clear them. The plan to build more hospitals seems to have disappeared with the Nightingales. Many councils are about to go into insolvency and be taken over by accountancy firms. The civil service is being dismantled and conservative loyalists with no experience being put in charge of important functions of state. Communications with the press are being 'streamlined' to make them incredible of holding power to account and only able to repeat government public announcements.

Anyone looking forward to Christmas? When you write a letter to Santa remember to add 'visa application form', 'a sleeping bag for use at Dover', 'tinned tomatoes' and 'packets of seeds to grow your own' to the list.

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JeSuisPoulet · 14/07/2020 22:01

LQ there was a link a day or so ago (re why we need the lorry park) that suggested a clipboard's worth of documentation would now be required... I suspect more for certain cargo?

QueenOfThorns · 14/07/2020 22:08

”The RHA is again repeating its demands for clarity from the Government, who simply must provide this vital information if the UK supply chain is to continue to operate smoothly from 1 January 2021.”

Well, clearly the UK supply chain isn’t going to continue to operate smoothly. I don’t understand why the government doesn’t seem to care, though. Do they just not get it, or are they assuming that they can successfully blame all the problems on the EU for being meanies and not letting us have our cake?

BigChocFrenzy · 14/07/2020 22:10

listening The RHA Chief Exec would likely be repeating what his members are telling him.

Maybe the problem is more with firms who have only dealt with the EU so far ?

Or they are worried about new forms dreamed up by Gove

and if those 50,000 new customs agents aren't there - and trained properly - that would bugger things up

Tanith · 14/07/2020 22:57

"I may have missed someone else posting this about the National Audit office looking into the billions spent on PPE "

I just can't get my head around the figures. £15 billion ShockShock

They really are asset-stripping the UK, aren't they? And no-one is even trying to stop them.

DrBlackbird · 14/07/2020 23:53

I was thinking that I may have to give up reading the news, just so depressing, but felt compelled to share a small ray of light. Trump may well get reelected, but at least some previous Trump voters have accepted reality. Too bad we don't see any of that here re Johnson/Brexit etc.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/trump-republican-voters-who-changed-their-mind

pointythings · 15/07/2020 07:31

DrBlackbird if Trump loses the moderates among his vote, and if they turn out to vote Democrat, then we're in with a shot. However, can Trump be trusted to run a fair election if it looks as if things are going against him, and will he go if he loses?

Peregrina · 15/07/2020 08:30

This is interesting about Trump, DrBlackbird. Comparing this with the UK, DH was admitting yesterday that I had been right when I said that Johnson would be totally incompetent. He had thought that he might grow into the job!

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 09:28

Import forms - you need a full set

  • supplier documentation
  • compliance documentation
  • clearance out documentation
  • clearance in documentation
  • purchaser confirmation
for every individual shipment so on a transit van carrying 40 boxes for 40 little companies that is 40 sets each set is around 20 pages but that is and has ALWAYS been the case for anything crossing a customs border

the fact that Dover has not been a customs border fora while is not exactly news

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 09:29

pointy
However, can Trump be trusted to run a fair election if it looks as if things are going against him, and will he go if he loses?
No he will not run a fair election.
That is a given.
Yes he will go if he loses - that is the US constitution.

Peregrina · 15/07/2020 09:32

Might there be a drawn out court case, as with Gore and the 'hanging chads' fiasco in Florida?

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 09:34

Peregrina
The court case did not stop Bush being in the White House .....
and the US legal system does not want uncertainty
I suspect the military will be delighted to have a new CinC ;-)

yoikes · 15/07/2020 09:37

I predicted civil war in America last year...

Trumps puppet masters will not give up their power easily.

Although I am not sure he will be on the ticket by November if he continues deteriorating.

I've nursed people with FTD.

He has FTD. He is barely there anymore.

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 09:38

Trumps puppet masters will not give up their power easily.
you overestimate their own distance from senility Wink

JeSuisPoulet · 15/07/2020 09:43

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/goves-new-border-plan-the-longest-suicide-note-in-history/?fbclid=IwAR2P9f-lrByqzaW9BgCNugueHJj7YQwc7F4IvmKuJ9BUYQCPM2LK_qIXo70
''Looking at the detail I noted that one of the old barriers to trade that Cockfield proposed to abolish all those years ago was the duty payable on the “fuel contained in the fuel tanks of commercial motor vehicles”. An eye opener into a world most of us never knew existed but to which we are about to return, although one hopes it won’t extend to checking fuel tanks. But who knows?''

Peregrina · 15/07/2020 09:47

but for the Tory party is set to replace it [labour's 1983 manifesto] as the longest suicide note in history.

We can but hope, but like Zombies, the Tories rise from the dead.

FrankieStein402 · 15/07/2020 09:50

@listeningquietly
Given that the border operating model was only published on 13th July it is certainly not 'bullshit' to say that firms 'don't know what forms will be required'

  • unless you're saying that uk firms already knew what the government was planning - which would be a stretch, given that the government doesn't know what its doing day to day. Even now the gvms and sfs are still being built so no-one can know how to use them in the miraculous event that they get delivered in time.

Cf: www.export.org.uk/news/516880/Governments-post-transition-border-plan-published-today-13-July-10-things-traders-need-to-know-.htm

BigChocFrenzy · 15/07/2020 10:47

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-53399539

emergency measures have been introduced in Blackburn and Darwen
in a bid to avoid a Leicester-style local lockdown.

People are being urged to abide by new, stricter guidance, in a bid to bring the number of coronavirus cases down,
and are warned a tighter, Leicester-style local lockdown will follow if it doesn't work.

The measures include:

** Wearing cloth face coverings in all enclosed public spaces, including workplaces, libraries, museums, health centres and hair and beauty salons

Targeted testing, with residents being told they do not need to have symptoms to be tested

Tighter limits on visitors from another household - no more than two people at a time

People asked to bump elbows in place of handshakes and hugs with those outside of their immediate family,

Health officials have warned that
if infection rates continue to rise after two weeks
the local authority will "have to consider reversing some of the national lockdown lifting measures locally".

DGRossetti · 15/07/2020 10:59

What worries us is that at the moment, the UK hasn’t hired anything like the number of customs agents needed to process the new form-filling.

Er, didn't Govey-boy tell us they'd hired 50,000 new people ? (count me extremely sceptical, since they muxt have done it telepathically - I didn't see a single ad.)

And it's not so much Get ready to rumble as Get ready to smuggle !

I wonder what cornucopia of cheap illegally imported items will soon be doing the rounds near me ? French Brandy perhaps ? Fine silks ? With Michael Gove riding around on a white charger with his customes men ?

There's a film in that ... not so much "Dr. Syn" as "Dr. Dim".

yoikes · 15/07/2020 11:05

"Watch the wall my darling as the gentlemen go by...."

Paragraff · 15/07/2020 11:19

If this is happening, with barely a whisper of protest, let alone anyone proposing to do anything about it, then what kind of a country are we already? Did the country run (relatively) smoothly before simply because we didn't happen to have totally immoral politicians? Was it simply a matter of getting the right man into the top position?

uk.yahoo.com/news/secret-coronavirus-contracts-awarded-without-050002607.html

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 11:37

Frankie
The UK / EU border will just revert to being exactly like those withe the rest of the world.
Customs clearance has always gone on for the 48% of UK trade that is not with the EU.
The EU's requirements on the border with the UK will be identical to their requirements with every other external border.

THe EU published its expectations in June 2016
the fact that the UK Government has lied and lied and lied
does not change the fact that

Customs Clearance rules have been part of international law since the early 70's

KonTikki · 15/07/2020 11:44

It ran pretty well on it's own for 3 years when Blessed Theresa was apparently our PM.
Almost makes me long for that tarnished time !

ListeningQuietly · 15/07/2020 11:47

BigChoc
I heard the local council bod from Blackburn on the radio when I was driving on Monday.
He was adamant that Central Government should butt out of deciding what his area needed re further lockdown
as the Leicester one had been done so poorly

DGRossetti · 15/07/2020 12:02

OT slightly, but a brilliant piece of activism and art has replaced the statue of Colston

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/15/edward-colston-statue-replaced-by-sculpture-of-black-lives-matter-protester

Westminstenders: Operation Shock and Awe
APipkinOfPepper · 15/07/2020 12:03

I hardly ever post on here, just read posts by the much better informed posters. However I saw this and thought of this thread - yet another thing that may be lost, and no details of the replacement UK funding once this ends:
www.localgov.co.uk/Councils-issue-warning-over-730m-of-unspent-EU-funding/50762

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