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Westministenders: Can you tell your Rs from Elbows?

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RedToothBrush · 01/07/2020 19:38

This week Mark Sedwill has resigned (or was he pushed?) and David Frost (chief brexit lead) was appointed National Security Adviser in a move that enraged Theresa May. The former prime minister felt that his appointment was unprofessional and that was a political appointment not an independent one and that he lacked experience. Of course in terms of national security we still haven't had that report on Russia and I don't believe The Intelligence and Security Committee has yet been named (not sat since Johnson was appointed as PM).

We have passed the deadline for extending transition and we have now apparently said that negotiations on the end of transition will finish at the end of September.

The bill ending Free movement of people has been signed, amongst much fanfare by the Conservatives saying they have delivered on the Referendum promise. However we might have up to 3million Hong Kongers who we are willing to allow into the country which might not go down too well with those who were unhappy with 'unrestricted EU immigration'.

We also have the demonstration of utter incompetence, outsourcing and lack of coordination and communication from central government and local government in the covid-19 crisis. A national scandal that isn't being properly reported by the press and leave you with the very large question of who is this government serving? If its contract with Deloittes over testing didn't require them to report positive tests to Public Health England, what was the point in the testing? How can this be consistent with 'The Government’s new approach to biosecurity will bring together the UK’s world-leading epidemiological expertise and fuse it with the best analytical capability from across Government in an integrated approach.' and will provide real time analysis and assessment of infection outbreaks at a community level, to enable rapid intervention before outbreaks grow.?

The growing feeling that Brexit is being exploited by this government for personal interests and those of big business at the expense of the general public is one which was feared and grows harder to argue against by the day.

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yoikes · 12/07/2020 13:04

Aye

mrslaughan · 12/07/2020 13:07

DGR - aye

ListeningQuietly · 12/07/2020 13:22

Farage Garage
that made me snort

DGRossetti · 12/07/2020 13:34

news4sanantonio.com/news/local/i-thought-this-was-a-hoax-patient-in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party

Posted partly because it speaks to the kind of low quality thinking that went behind Brexit and partly because it's easier to cut an paste than have any original ideas of my own.

SAN ANTONIO, Texas (WOAI/KABB) – A patient in their 30s died from the coronavirus after attending what's being called a "COVID party," according to a San Antonio health official.

Chief Medical Officer of Methodist Healthcare Dr. Jane Appleby said the idea of these parties is to see if the virus is real.

"This is a party held by somebody diagnosed by the COVID virus and the thought is to see if the virus is real and to see if anyone gets infected," Dr. Appleby said.

According to Appleby, the patient became critically ill and had a heartbreaking statement moments before death.

"Just before the patient died, they looked at their nurse and said 'I think I made a mistake, I thought this was a hoax, but it's not,'" Appleby said.

Appleby made this case public as the spike in cases for Bexar County continues. She wants everyone, especially those in the younger demographic, to realize they are not invincible.

"It doesn't discriminate and none of us are invincible," Appleby said. "I don't want to be an alarmist, and we're just trying to share some real-world examples to help our community realize that this virus is very serious and can spread easily."

In fact, she said the positivity rate has jumped to 22 percent.

"This is a concerning increase from a positive rate of about five percent only several weeks ago," Dr. Appleby said.

Thursday night, the city was reporting nearly 18,000 cases, with more than 1,200 patients in the hospital system.

prettybird · 12/07/2020 13:53

That's tragic DGR Sad

Jason118 · 12/07/2020 13:59

It's an amazing shift in what is deemed brexit good news when the government announces with much pride that we will spend £705 million to implement border controls to make things run less smoothly than hey do now. How many PPE of whole hospitals would that get? And for what benefit? It is utter, utter madness.

DGRossetti · 12/07/2020 14:07

@prettybird

That's tragic DGR Sad
Hmm

I reserve my finite store of human kindness for people who suffer through no fault of their own, people who cry over things they could not stop, people who lose loved ones in ways they could not help, people who hunger in fattened lands and people who cannot improve their lot by their own hand. When they are no more, I might have a twinge about the people who are so stupid, so ignorant, so lacking in humility and so overflowing with arrogance that they felt the tide would turn for their beliefs.

Whom Gods Destroy, indeed.

DGRossetti · 12/07/2020 14:14

the government announces with much pride that we will spend £705 million to implement border controls to make things run less smoothly than hey do now. How many PPE of whole hospitals would that get?

None. Zero. Nada. Fuck all.

You are making the simple and common mistake of assuming that if you don't spent on then that sum of is now available for .

You'd think that, but we all know here that's not true. The government has absolutely no intention of spending anything on PPE for hospitals, no matter how much it has going spare.

This was the biggest lie of austerity. Even if the country had been paved in fivers, there was no way an extra penny was going to go towards the scum of society.

Peregrina · 12/07/2020 14:25

That was it DGR - austerity was a choice.

prettybird · 12/07/2020 14:28

DGR - I'm also thinking in terms of those who had to look after these people, as it also takes its toll on them (look at the impact on squid4 ) plus those left to pick up the pieces left behind by such idiots people, as they might not all be as gullible Sad ....children, parents, siblings, friends.... Sad

I'm still resisting being dragged down to the lowest denominator and will continue to try to draw in my reserves of empathy even if there are times I think, "Hell mend the Brexiters, I hope they really do experience the full negative force of what they CHOSE to vote for" Wink

yoikes · 12/07/2020 14:38

Nah.
Fuck em.
Although I note the brexit Arms is terribly quiet nonexistant these days...

yoikes · 12/07/2020 14:39

I remember a bre it arms poster that I had one or two spats with called semi permanent.

They were in a very vulnerable position. I often wonder how they are

ListeningQuietly · 12/07/2020 15:40

I friend on FB who lives in Texas has just posted that people think COVID is just a hoax to stop people voting for Trump
so are not social distancing, not wearing masks
and catching it by the thousand
and getting really sick

and we thought English exceptionalism was a problem
Texas is much worse

yoikes · 12/07/2020 15:45

LQ I wonder what team trump fans feel about him "giving in" to wearing a mask?

ListeningQuietly · 12/07/2020 15:47

yoikes
Its all a conspiracy
fake news
edited pictures
'Murica

yoikes · 12/07/2020 15:47

texan trump fans

yoikes · 12/07/2020 15:47

but he's wearing a mask now...

Will they be angry?

DGRossetti · 12/07/2020 15:48

A nuclear submarine captain writes:

bylinetimes.com/2020/07/07/a-very-british-coup-former-royal-navy-trident-submarine-commander-assesses/

Coups happen in other countries – they are not something the public would ever expect in Britain. But could such a thing be occurring in plain sight here today or is this simply a wild exaggeration of a few bumps in road in our democracy?

Since Prime Minister Boris Johnson was voted into power, his Government has threatened parliamentary sovereignty, the independence of the judiciary, the independence of the BBC, the individual right to trial by jury and has undermined public confidence in all institutions of governance to an extent never seen before.

The net effect of all these measures could amount to a coup – a very British coup, one which will perhaps only be evident in hindsight.

The Government’s justification for such behaviour seems to be ‘the national interest’ – but the ‘Government’ and the ‘state’ here are not synonymous. When the two diverge to the extent that the Government starts acting in its own interest and to the detriment of the interests of the state, this can be construed as a coup.

Unfortunately, our unwritten and uncodified constitution is vulnerable to such a thing because it consists of a myriad documents and protocols which rely on any incumbent Government to act in good faith.

Assault on Parliamentary Scrutiny

As Brexit continued to unfold last year, the first potential assault was on Parliament itself.

On 30 July, the Government stated that a petition submitted to the Scottish Court of Session against the prorogation – the discontinuing – of Parliament was “hypothetical and premature” and that there was “no reasonable or even hypothetical apprehension that the UK Government intended to advise the Queen to prorogue the Westminster Parliament with the intention of denying before Exit Day any further Parliamentary consideration of withdrawal from the Union”.

A month later, on 28 August 2019, an Order in Council – formally made by the Queen acting on the advice of the Privy Council – was issued stating that Parliament could be prorogued on Monday 9 September at the earliest, until Monday 14 October. Only after this had occurred, was the Cabinet informed.

Documents submitted to the Supreme Court indicated that preparations for prorogation had been ongoing since mid-August. The Prime Minister’s handwritten notes, dated 16 August, stated that “I don’t see anything especially shocking about this prorogation”.

On 24 September, the UK’s Supreme Court unanimously found that the advice given to the Queen by the Prime Minister was unlawful, as was the subsequent prorogation.

Using COVID-19

Although the Coronavirus Act 2020 was designed to “enhance the ability of public bodies across the UK to provide an effective response” to tackle the pandemic, it also enables ministers – without recourse to Parliament – to postpone elections, referendums and petitions to recall MPs.

As COVID-19 inhibited business being conducted in the House of Commons, on 21 April, MPs voted to introduce a hybrid system, allowing them to participate in parliamentary proceedings either remotely or in person. The motion allowing hybrid proceedings lapsed on 20 May and the Government was determined to stop its reintroduction – thereby disenfranchising many MPs who were shielding with health conditions.

On 2 June, the Leader of the House of Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg proposed a social distancing-compliant voting system that involved MPs queuing two meters apart for 45 minutes in a line that stretched through Westminster Hall and into the gardens.

The Conservative MP Robert Halfon complained to BBC News that the Government “was snipping away against the democratic rights of MPs, turning us all into parliamentary eunuchs”, but it was not enough to stop him voting against the end of the hybrid measures.

Limited virtual participation for those unable to travel or attend for health reasons or COVID-19 restrictions remain, but all voting will take place in Parliament in person.

The Russia Report

“There has been clear and proven Russian influence in foreign elections… [and] attempts in the EU Referendum,” was the conclusion of Parliament’s Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee (DCMS) report into ‘Disinformation and Fake News‘ in February 2019.

It found that “strong evidence” pointed to “hostile state actors influencing democratic processes” and made particular reference to the activities of Arron Banks and the Leave-EU campaign during the referendum.

Another parliamentary group, the Intelligence and Security Committee, started work on an inquiry into alleged Russian interference in British democracy in October 2017 and its report submitted to the Prime Minister on 17 October 2019.

On 5 November, the Minister of State for Europe Christopher Pincher stated in Parliament that “there is no evidence to suggest that Russia or the Kremlin has successfully engaged in interference in our electoral processes”.

During the 2019 General Election campaign, Boris Johnson said he saw “no reason to interfere in the normal timetable” for the report to be published “just because there’s an election going on” and added that he had seen “absolutely no evidence” of interference in “any British electoral event”.

Despite repeated parliamentary and media requests, the report remains secret.

Trust in a Crisis

The advice of the Government’s Scientific Advisory Group on Emergencies (SAGE) throughout the COVID-19 pandemic has included a very clear need to maintain transparency and public trust.

From the beginning, the Government has continually contradicted itself as it has become increasingly clear that truth and trust have been lost.

This was first evident when questions were asked on 26 March about the Government’s decision not to participate in the European Union’s collaborative effort to procure intensive care ventilators.

Asked why, a Downing Street spokesman said: “Well, we are no longer members of the EU.” That was amended later the same day in another statement which explained that an email inviting the UK to join the scheme had not been received. The week before, the Health and Social Care Secretary Matt Hancock said on BBC Question Time that the Government “engaged with that process today”.

On 21 April, the Permanent Under-Secretary at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office reported to Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee that “it was a political decision”. That evening, Hancock stated in the daily Coronavirus briefing that there had been no “political decision”. Later that night, the Permanent Under-Secretary issued a retraction stating that ministers were not briefed by the mission in Brussels about the scheme.

This was followed by claims and targets for personal protective equipment and testing that were continually not met. But perhaps the greatest loss of trust followed the repeated denials and conflicting explanations surrounding the Prime Minister’s chief advisor’s trip to Durham during lockdown, including a car journey to Barnard Castle he claimed he made with his wife and child to test his eyesight.

The Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove was asked on radio “would you have gone on a 60-mile round trip to test your eyesight?” and responded: “I may have on occasion driven with my wife in order to make sure that… I am not an expert on driving matters.”

A YouGov poll for the University of Oxford’s Reuters Institute reported a 19% drop in public trust between 14 April and 27 May in the Government’s handling of the COVID-19 crisis, a 13% reduction in trust in politicians generally, and 11% in the news media.

Politicisation of the Civil Service

The Government’s determination to politicise and control the Civil Service was first evident on 13 February, when the then Chancellor Sajid Javid resigned after being told by the Prime Minister that he must sack his entire team of Treasury advisors and accept a team nominated by, and reporting to, Dominic Cummings.

Javid was quickly followed out the door by Sir Philip Rutnam, the Permanent Secretary at the Home Office, who resigned asserting that he had been a victim or “a vicious and orchestrated briefing campaign”.

Last month, the Cabinet Secretary and National Security Advisor Sir Mark Sedwill announced his resignation and his position was quickly filled by the special advisor and political appointee, Sir David Frost – the Government’s chief negotiator in the Brexit negotiations.

Threats to the BBC

During the 2019 General Election campaign, after a series of portrayals of the Prime Minister by BBC News that were perceived by him to be negative, Boris Johnson threatened to review the public broadcaster’s licence fee model. The Chief Secretary to the Treasury also threatened to include a measure to decriminalise the failure to pay the BBC licence fee in the next parliamentary programme.

Following the General Election, neither threat has materialised.

Sir David Clementi, the chairman of the BBC Board, appointed Tim Davie to replace Tony Hall as the corporation’s new Director General early, after speculation that Sir David, whose replacement is due in early 2021 and is in the gift of the Prime Minister, will be replaced by a more compliant political appointee.

The Right to Trial by Jury

According to evidence given by the Lord Chancellor to Parliament’s Justice Committee on 23 June, before COVID-19 arrived, there were approximately 39,214 crown court cases awaiting trial by jury. On 24 May, there were 40,536.

In order to deal with this crisis case load, the Lord Chancellor announced that he is considering reducing jury sizes to only seven and, in some cases, doing away with ‘judgement by one’s peers’ altogether and making do with simply a judge and two magistrates.

This change would require primary legislation and the Lord Chancellor noted that this would require approval before the parliamentary summer recess on 21 July. He has said this will be only a temporary measure – but this is open to question.

Where Will Diverging Interests Lead?

The evidence suggests that the Johnson Government has acted with a cavalier sang froid towards the concept of scrutiny – either parliamentary or through the media – which is incompatible with parliamentary sovereignty.

The Government’s actions suggest a desire to govern not through parliamentary democracy and scrutiny but more by executive fiat, where national interest appears to be aligned with the specific interests of the incumbent government, not the national interests of the state.

If the interests of the Government have been diverging from the interests of the population and the state, what might these measures cumulatively represent?

In hindsight, perhaps we will call it a coup and come to regret its impact on all our futures.

Dr Andrew Corbett, formerly in command of two Trident submarines, is a teaching fellow at the Defence Studies Department, King’s College London, and the Joint Services Command and Staff College

DGRossetti · 12/07/2020 15:52

@yoikes

but he's wearing a mask now...

Will they be angry?

He's always worn a mask. He had the idea of wearing a mask long before anyone else. He has spent the past 4 months having to fight Democrat propaganda about masks to finally get America to wear masks.

Remember there were a majority of Japanese commanders who did not believe the US could make an atomic bomb - even as the mushroom cloud was growing over Hiroshima.

There really is no teaching stupid.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/07/2020 16:19

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/12/revealed-dominic-cummings-firm-paid-vote-leaves-ai-firm-260000

A private company owned and controlled by Dominic Cummings paid more than a quarter of a million pounds to the artificial intelligence firm that worked on the Vote Leave campaign.

The prime minister’s chief adviser is declining to explain the reason for the payments to Faculty, which were made in instalments over two years.
Faculty also declined to say what they were for.

...
Earlier this year, Faculty was installed at the heart of the government’s response to the coronavirus crisis,
conducting data modelling to help senior decision-makers and other government officials respond to the pandemic.

< that may explain the frequently misleading figures >

The Guardian has identified at least 13 central government contracts awarded to the firm since early 2018,
collectively worth about £3m in revenue.
The company said it had worked on more than 30 projects with public bodies since 2016.

DGRossetti · 12/07/2020 16:25

In 100 years time, historians of computing will note that the greatest success of "AI" in computing was in locating people willing to spunk money on "AI" and fuck all else.

I'll drop this little tip for free here ... If you are ever confronted by an "AI" snake oil salesman (and that is a tautology) then just ask what their "AI" scores on an IQ test.

I've done countless man years on this subject and my current world rankings are:

Google Assistant : 0
Siri: 0
Amazon Echo : 0

Which leads me to suspect that somewhere the word "artificial" become a synonym for "no".

Jason118 · 12/07/2020 16:32

If you think snake oil salesman is tautology, then you don't understand the world of professional sales.

DGRossetti · 12/07/2020 16:36

@Jason118

If you think snake oil salesman is tautology, then you don't understand the world of professional sales.
I was saying an "AI" snake oil salesman is a tautology.
Clavinova · 12/07/2020 16:46

SAN ANTONIO, Texas (WOAI/KABB) – A patient in their 30s died from the coronavirus after attending what's being called a "COVID party," according to a San Antonio health official.

and we thought English exceptionalism was a problem Texas is much worse

75% of known coronavirus cases in San Antonio/Bexar County have been from within the Hispanic community (6,695 cases, 91 deaths), 16% white community (1,430 cases, 29 deaths), 6% black community (562 cases, 19 deaths);

www.sa2020.org/covid-19-dashboard/

Rolling Stone Magazine were not convinced by tales of COVID parties in May;

"In other words, people had contracted COVID-19 from attending parties, but did not attend for the purpose of contracting COVID-19— a far more believable, if not less headline-grabby, version of events."

www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/coronavirus-parties-real-fake-washington-995431/

Clavinova · 12/07/2020 16:57

The prime minister’s chief adviser is declining to explain the reason for the payments to Faculty, which were made in instalments over two years. Faculty also declined to say what they were for.

Faculty's other clients;
faculty.ai/about-us/