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Westminstenders: Magical Thinking

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2020 19:39

This week has seen reports of the government editing footage of Johnson to avoid embarrassing questions about the early government response.

We've been asked to accept that the rules were different to what we were told to excuse the law breaking behaviour of a senior government advisor. As Johnson said he was being a responsible father (as if Johnson knows what this is) and it wasn't as if he was visiting a lover (this Johnson would know all about). Let's be honest Johnson is the master of brazening out controversy.

We also have the ERG complaining they were lied to by Gove about the new Withdrawal Agreement and the border in the Irish Sea which surprises precisely no one else.

They appear to be a little upset by the Cummings debarkable too.

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Songsofexperience · 25/05/2020 09:44

Your aunt sounded amazing yoikes. 💐 to you and a toast to a life well lived.

Songsofexperience · 25/05/2020 09:47

I am beyond shocked about Johnson defending Cummings. What an insult to those who weren't able to say goodbye to their loved ones! And to a degree to anyone who's lost their livelihood because of the lockdown. Everyone can make sacrifices and end up grieving and impoverished except for a tiny elite it seems... disgusting!

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 25/05/2020 09:49

BJ has lost the Mail. The Currant Bun is lukewarm at best. The Express remains loyal. And the Daily Star says the big story today is Jeremy Kyle isn't getting another show, and look at that girl on the beach with big tits.

Meanwhile, all you hard-pressed parents with SEN kids, take 'em to Dom's sister to look after. Free cottage thrown in.

Songsofexperience · 25/05/2020 09:50

And we'll get no deal brexit and all the crap that entails!

KonTikki · 25/05/2020 09:50

Boris Johnson trying to put a stop to the deserved condemnation surrounding Domonic Cummings reminded me of Prince Andrew trying to defend his actions in public.
Both events ended up with exactly the opposite result to what had been intended.

I have to commend the Daily Mail on their front page. For once, they have got it exactly right.

OldLace · 25/05/2020 09:55

Sostenueto

I am wondering whether to write to my MP for the first time ever.
I have two children with Autism and SEN. I am also disabled myself.
I was married for 16 years, to an aggressive man, and I eventually left.

During lockdown my ExH has dropped food off for us once a week. There is only 1 small shop in my village and I can't carry milk (too heavy and my kids will drop it!). My nearest supermarket is 19 miles away, so I can't leave kids at home, can't take them (my ancient £500 car's battery died). Shopping delivery slots were impossible at least to start with, so exH has been dropping off shopping for us once a week. Because I moved, because I cannot work, because my nearest relatives are 250m away, because I've not been able to 'go out and make new friends' I'm rather isolated, so it was, sadly, (& quite stressfully for me), necessary. It's the only 'support' I've had in 8 weeks and I've got on with it, like many right now, because there's literally no alternative.

As well as crutches, I use a CPap machine as I have obstructive sleep apnea. The children's father has asthma, some heart issues, and is obese. He is currently furloughed for which i am glad as he is a bus driver, a profession with as high a mortality rate as HCP's I believe? I left him for very good reasons, but he is their Father, so for their sake... He is worried sick he won't have a job at the end of this, as am I as there is a marital home we cannot sell and I cant pay the joint mortgage if he stops (it is interest only as I cannot work any more and there is no equity).

My son was referred by GP for Epilepsy assessment just before lockdown (school sent him home a week before they shut to most pupils saying they could not keep him safe due to his sudden spasms and 'not to bring him back until it was sorted'. No initial appt letter has arrived so I called the hospital last week to enquire (as GP down to 1 day per week) and discovered that they are not dealing with 'non urgent' referrals at present. Fair enough, I am in the NE and we are behind the London curve by a couple of weeks, I think? but I'm back to square 1. Is it Epilepsy? Is it the awful strain of being at a failing Academy and being bullied for ASD with no EHCp? Is it both? When / how will School open? He is Y10. We've had no details from them yet.

I've been very careful to follow the Govt rules for me, my kids, (their Father re drop off) but also for the sake of others I will never know.
It has been hard (my parents and both my closest friends are all aged over 70 and hundreds of miles away and I try not to wonder when / if I will see them again!) but there are very few of us who have not been affected, many of us deeply and long term. Perhaps because my world's so small - I don't yet know anyone in RL who has died, but each time it's Somebodys loved one.

My neighbour brought me some eggs from her hens (in a SD way). She's manages a care home group. She says it has been simply appalling and that there has been a huge cover up. She cried.

I've only cried twice. Once was for the 13 year old boy who died alone in hospital. I sobbed at that. There, but for the Grace of God...
Once was last night, when I was so angry after Johnson's statement.

I dont think I will send all this to my MP - it's a ramble, sorry! Blush I over share. Blush But I want to write something. It's SO wrong that DC can do what he did, and the PM glibly defends it.

TokyoSushi · 25/05/2020 10:00

PMK

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 25/05/2020 10:00

OldLace

You are not rambling. That is a powerful message. Just cut and paste as much of it as you wish and support it with a covering para at the top.

members.parliament.uk/members/Commons

DGRossetti · 25/05/2020 10:04

Just seen a video (via Scientists for EU) of Cummings own street coming out to heckle him.

I wonder how soon he's crying to the police about how upsetting it is.

borntobequiet · 25/05/2020 10:08

Ha ha, my Tory MP’s response to my email (which said she was getting a lot of emails lol) included this link to Govt guidelines.
www.gov.uk/coronavirus

I quote: Do not leave home if anyone in your household has symptoms

KonTikki · 25/05/2020 10:09

I do feel that BJ is caught between a rock and a hard place over Cummings. He could certainly sack him for his actions, but that could well precipitate Michael Goves resignation. He and Cummings go back a long way and are leading on Government reform together.
And Gove has been very public in his support of Cummings.
To lose Gove would be a huge blow to BJ personally, as he is incremental in delivering all sorts of "goodies" further down the line.

borntobequiet · 25/05/2020 10:12

I wouldn’t accept any form of “goody” from Gove for fear of poison.

pontypridd · 25/05/2020 10:13

KonTikki

What do you mean by government reform? What are Gove and Cummings leading on?

JeSuisPoulet · 25/05/2020 10:18

The Tories have never been able to discipline Cummings and Boris was warned about letting him near power. Remember IDS who also had him as an advisor? 13mins in and you can see why they are worried he will be a loose cannon www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ggnm/taking-control-the-dominic-cummings-story

UltimateFoole · 25/05/2020 10:21

Seems to be some difficulty in finding the source for the idea that DC's son is autistic.

twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1264838102817873922

Perhaps it is a generally known fact. Or not. Or true. Or not.

Who can say.

Peregrina · 25/05/2020 10:23

Old Lace - do absolutely send that letter to your MP. They need to hear how angry the public are. This is a scandal which should not be allowed to die down.

KonTikki - the answer for Johnson is 'tough'. You wanted the job of PM, you take the rough with the smooth. If he has to get rid of Govey too, that's just too bad.

Even Laura Kuenssberg isn't singing the Cummings tune!

If Boris Johnson's decision to appear at Sunday's press conference was an attempt to close down the story about Dominic Cummings' behaviour during the lockdown by handling it himself, it failed completely. It certainly was not an attempt to give the public the full information. Instead the prime minister refused to answer the questions that remain about the specifics of his adviser's visit or visits, to the north east of England while his team was telling the public again and again and again that they had to "stay at home".

Peregrina · 25/05/2020 10:25

What do you mean by government reform? What are Gove and Cummings leading on?

In a nutshell, trying to completely privatise the UK and put it into the hands of moneyed friends. See the previous thread for a link to posts by Carol Cadwalladr, or google for her.

DGRossetti · 25/05/2020 10:26

I wonder if they will be able to find the person that sent the civil service tweet last night ?

I'm betting they won't. Not an individual. Which means they can't actually fire anyone either.

Oops.

DGRossetti · 25/05/2020 10:40

Meanwhile ...

"I didn't realised Wales wasn't in England" says woman determined to blow away any hint that Brummies aren't thick as pigshit.

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/woman-anti-welsh-rant-after-18304237

BestIsWest · 25/05/2020 10:52

I am so glad I live in Wales but there are still people living here who don’t realise that the rules are different in Wales.

Piggywaspushed · 25/05/2020 10:57

Did anyone wonderful on here write down/ screenshot/save the government's 5 tests for reopening schools?

I think we might be in revision of truths territory here , too, soon.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 25/05/2020 11:00

The 5 tests have already been altered once I think. I might be able to find the original and slightly reworded version on twitter somewhere.

DrBlackbird · 25/05/2020 11:10

Flowers for dealing with such a crap hand OldLace and for doing a brilliant job as best as you can in such circumstances. Ditto Mockers in saying that was a powerful and compelling statement attesting to the silent suffering of the majority and not a ramble in the slightest.

ClashCityRocker · 25/05/2020 11:18

Wasn't track and trace mentioned as part of the five measures initially, or am I getting confused?

If it was, it seems to have been quietly dropped....

DrBlackbird · 25/05/2020 11:20

Hmm be interesting if Johnson sacked Cummings and Gove 'quit' but only if he smelt a hint of a possiblity of Johnson heading for the door out of No 10 leaving it ajar for Gove to somehow sidle in.

The only reason Gove would quit, not because of loyalty, he doesn't do loyalty, is if he's taken a leaf from the Johnson playbook and quits to avoid guilt by association hoping for his future chance to become king of the world.

Anyhow, Cummings isn't going. Full stop. Johnson has dug his heels in and will ride out the publicity. It's worked every time in the past. It will work again now. So lucky us, we get to keep Johnson, Gove, and Cummings and the chaos that an impending no deal will bring.