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Westminstenders: Following the EU lead

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2020 17:50

Coronavirus poses a particularly Irish shaped question. How the UK responds to Irish plans for ending lockdown and whether Arlene continues to back an all Ireland plan will be fascinating to watch and see justified regardless of which way we go.

The UK for all its new found independence is looking very closely to the success / failure of EU strategies before making our own plan public. Mainly because we've yet to write one.

Johnson hasn't led much. He's delegated. Yet he gets all the praise for doing the sum total of fuck all and never being the bad guy. There always another fall guy to blame.

Economically we are stuffed and promises of a very quick bounce back don't look likely based on public confidence and willingness to return to places like pubs restaurants and shops.

Our ability to adapt to new conditions at short notice has been tested and businesses can not afford to do this again soon.

This is the background to which we go into talks. Both sides need an extension to serve their best interests. Johnson is determined to cut our nose of to spite our face for the sake of his legacy and to keep those paying the back handers and dodging tax happy.

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Mistigri · 07/05/2020 15:59

The far right in Sweden are also blaming non-European foreigners

Clavinova is the far right. I'm prepared to confidently predict his/her position on lockdowns, based on the near 100% overlap between trade-climate-virus denial.

Deaths pretty much everywhere are concentrated among old people in institutional settings, those doing front-line jobs and those in insecure employment. People who cannot stay home.

In the US, the class and ethnic background division is even starker: outside NY, all the big clusters are in nursing homes, prisons and meat packing plants.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 07/05/2020 16:01

I'm pleased Clav isn't a bot, if not slightly concerned that she is a real person. Also amused that she's ignored points 1-3 Grin Apologies Clav, for (4), I accept I'm wrong there.

I've a friend much like you, Clav. I wouldn't be surprised if you were her, in fact, except her kids are younger. She's nice enough, we have many shared values and many where we are poles apart.

Takes all sorts, eh?

Emilyontmoor · 07/05/2020 16:10

honeysuckle That is the thing with my northern Brexit cult. They are all perfectly nice people but since 2016 they have been hijacked, and come out with all this weird stuff. We can still have a laugh, share memories, compliment each other etc but there is one space in our lives when I become a stereotype, a remoaning leftie (I'm not allowed to also not have any time for Corbyn for instance) and get the full Daily Hate thrown at me. It really is very odd.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2020 16:12

MissClimpson Germany is also giving a €1,500 bonus to all ft care workers

Many other employers of essential workers - supermarket staff, drivers etc - have also chosen to give "Corona bonuses"

All will be tax-free up to €1,500

Westministender Brits:
Is this happening in the UK too ?
If not, maybe a sweetener from Sunak before he winds down furlough payments

BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2020 16:14

German re-opening & Contingency plans

The UK should wait & see if this goes off OK ...
or reignites exponential infection growth < nervous >

Germany will allow all shops, restaurants, hotels to open shortly, with social distancing

< trivial, but I'm hoping for gyms too, in my state >

The 16 German states agreed with Merkel to draw up a plan
to reimpose measures for any administrative district
(these average 200,000 pop >
that reports 50 new cases per 100,000 inhabitants within a week.

Those restrictions could also be applied just to a single facility such as a nursing home.

The aim is to avoid reimposing a shutdown nationwide

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/05/06/business/bc-eu-virus-outbreak-germany.html

Merkel said.
“We must take care that things don't slip out of our hands,
and I have a good feeling because we agreed on this emergency mechanism today,”
she said.

“We are not just saying what we are opening,
but also that if something happens locally we won't wait until it has spread through the whole republic.”

Under Germany's federal system, states are responsible for imposing and loosening lockdown measures.

That has led to significant regional variations, with some governors less patient than others

  • and Wednesday's decision looks sure to strengthen that trend.

Large stores can now reopen everywhere.
States will decide “in their own responsibility” on the step-by-step reopening of restaurants,
which have been closed for all but takeouts,
and hotels, which haven't been allowed to welcome tourists since March.

They will have to seat customers further apart than usual
and observe strict hygiene rules to prevent the virus spreading

Some regions want to start as early as Saturday.

Restaurants and hotels are the “most critical” sector for health reasons, Merkel said.

With hotels reopening,
“there will of course be more travel through the republic ...
we will have to watch this process very, very closely."

Emilyontmoor · 07/05/2020 16:19

agh the paywall! But you can link to the excellent article on Starmer on Scientists for the EU Facebook page

Clavinova · 07/05/2020 16:20

They saw what was coming out of Wuhan

No doubt Taiwan had a significant advantage in being able to speak Chinese, not to mention a political interest in scrutinising what happens in China very closely.

Specialist institutions including the Institute of Cancer Research were to be the beneficiaries of a boost to research funding announced in the last budget;

"The United Kingdom will increase public funding for research and development by 15% in the next fiscal year, its largest year-on-year increase ever"

www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/uk-cues-big-funding-increases-rd

I do my weekly shop on a Wednesday afternoon and drive past the drive through testing centre, last week there were 50+ cars queuing back onto the road, yesterday it was deserted.

Presumably people had not wanted to be tested in that area.

DGRossetti · 07/05/2020 16:28

Presumably people had not wanted to be tested in that area.

Hmm

Given the reported state of testing, they might have been washing their hair ? Or arranging their sock drawers ?

Clavinova · 07/05/2020 16:31

HoneysuckIejasmine
I'm pleased Clav isn't a bot, if not slightly concerned that she is a real person. Also amused that she's ignored points 1-3

  1. C&P wall of text, usually propaganda or lies

  2. blame minorities or "the left"

  3. quote a poll

  4. C&P wall of text - guilty as charged.
    progaganda or lies - really?

  5. blame minorities or "the left"
    I enjoy blaming "the left" - definitely! Grin
    Not sure why you think I'm blaming minorities for anything - can't avoid minorities/immigration being a topical subject.

  6. quote a poll - I'll remind everyone that polls are banned from now on. Wink

missclimpson · 07/05/2020 16:35

The detail in this broadcast about coming out of lockdown on Monday is extraordinary. They have been going for an hour and a half; Prime Minister, Ministers for Health, Transport, Education, Interior, Business etc etc.
We will now be able to go out without a form but limited to 100km of home. Borders still closed. Schengen plus UK borders remain closed until mid June at earliest.
Detailed explanations of review procedures.

Mistigri · 07/05/2020 16:42

I still haven't worked out how we are going to get DD home from Paris now the academic year is over.

There doesn't seem to be anything planned for students whose rental agreements come to an end this month and who are running out of money. Can't stay in Paris (no evidence of primary residence), can't return home (100km away).

Emilyontmoor · 07/05/2020 16:55

Presumably people had not wanted to be tested in that area. Ah yes that would be it, given the area includes care homes up to 70 miles away and one major London teaching hospital... Nothing to do with engineering, including using the local Conservative social media to get the over 65s to turn up for testing last week (there were a lot of expensive cars in that queae) to meet a meaningless target Hmm

missclimpson · 07/05/2020 16:56

That does sound difficult Mistigri. Would it come under the permitted train travel regulations?

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 07/05/2020 16:56

Eurostar is running a limited service. See their website.

missclimpson · 07/05/2020 16:58

This is a within France movement Mockers.

Mistigri · 07/05/2020 17:01

Missclimpson - no she doesn't appear to fit into any of the situations that are covered. She's not the only student in Paris who will have to leave soon though, at least two of her friends have rental agreements ending next week.

Emilyontmoor · 07/05/2020 17:02

And funnily enough plenty of Brits can speak Mandarin and Cantonese (there is no such language as Chinese) as well, hopefully even some in government and intelligence. I was setting up my mother for isolating at the start of January because of what was coming out of Wuhan on social media, it was a repeat of what happened with SARS, not immediately obvious it was so much worse than SARS but that was obvious once the scientists started publishing the facts in the Lancet in mid January. Even if nobody was listening to Taiwan because WHO are in the pocket of China the signs were all there to be read, and in English.

Mistigri · 07/05/2020 17:08

Yeah - I am in daily contact with Chinese colleagues and I have to say that the writing was on the wall by the time Wuhan locked down (23 Jan). I have contacts in the mining industry who say their companies started to stock up on PPE & medical supplies during January.

mrslaughan · 07/05/2020 17:17

Clav - please they don't speak "Chinese", they speak mandarin - which is the same dominant Language as China...... this is distinguished from Cantonese.......

BigChocFrenzy · 07/05/2020 17:18

Pretty There's another AIBU trashing NS and the SNP

They are throwing every squirrel on the table; now it's Nicola's turn
the govt must think it's heading for trouble

DGRossetti · 07/05/2020 17:20

Clav - please they don't speak "Chinese", they speak mandarin - which is the same dominant Language as China...... this is distinguished from Cantonese.......

Casual ignorance from a Brexiteer ? Surely not.

Clavinova · 07/05/2020 17:21

Mistigri
Clavinova is the far right.

Sorry, but Grin Grin Grin

I'm prepared to confidently predict his/her position on lockdowns, based on the near 100% overlap between trade-climate-virus denial.

trade-climate-virus denial??

That's why I've spent £8 per can on super-duper, extra strength hand sanitiser from my local pharmacy.

her position on lockdowns

Well, I am getting a little bit bored if that's what you mean.

Yeah - I am in daily contact with Chinese colleagues and I have to say that the writing was on the wall by the time Wuhan locked down (23 Jan). I have contacts in the mining industry who say their companies started to stock up on PPE & medical supplies during January.

You live in France - you should have warned President Macron.

LouiseCollins28 · 07/05/2020 17:24

Hi all, hope you are all staying safe. Downing Street press briefing is interesting today re lockdown.

prettybird · 07/05/2020 17:25

I saw that BigChoc - they obviously feel threatened. It's actually a compliment Wink