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Westminstenders: Following the EU lead

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2020 17:50

Coronavirus poses a particularly Irish shaped question. How the UK responds to Irish plans for ending lockdown and whether Arlene continues to back an all Ireland plan will be fascinating to watch and see justified regardless of which way we go.

The UK for all its new found independence is looking very closely to the success / failure of EU strategies before making our own plan public. Mainly because we've yet to write one.

Johnson hasn't led much. He's delegated. Yet he gets all the praise for doing the sum total of fuck all and never being the bad guy. There always another fall guy to blame.

Economically we are stuffed and promises of a very quick bounce back don't look likely based on public confidence and willingness to return to places like pubs restaurants and shops.

Our ability to adapt to new conditions at short notice has been tested and businesses can not afford to do this again soon.

This is the background to which we go into talks. Both sides need an extension to serve their best interests. Johnson is determined to cut our nose of to spite our face for the sake of his legacy and to keep those paying the back handers and dodging tax happy.

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ListeningQuietly · 02/05/2020 17:52

ooo

ListeningQuietly · 02/05/2020 17:53

Interesting the picture of Carrie and young Wilf.
That is no way a prem baby.
She was pregnant LONG before they went public.
Yet another thing he could not tell the truth about.

dontcallmelen · 02/05/2020 17:54

PMK as ever many thanks to Red & all contributors, also hoping that those who have been unwell & now recovering

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QuestionMarkNow · 02/05/2020 17:59

PMK

Peregrina · 02/05/2020 18:04

PMK

prettybird · 02/05/2020 18:14

Contented cat in amongst the raspberry canes. Smile

I think Heseltine's description of BJ as someone who sees which way the crowd is going and then darts ahead saying "Follow me" is spot on. Add to that a narcissistic but lazy personality who will happily delegate but not take responsibility for failures while taking credit for successes and refuses to look at detail or listen to true experts, you have a perfect storm for a disastrous future for the UK. Angry

The disjoint in understanding of legal basis the Withdrawal Agreement (and its necessary relationship with the Good Friday Agreement) is a perfect example of this. Sad

The Lockdown has been useful trial for a No Deal Exit on 31 December. I now know I need a lot more plain, self raising and bread flour, kitchen towels, loo roll, eggs and extra butter and milk in the freezer.

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 02/05/2020 18:15

Pmk thanks Red

HoneysuckIejasmine · 02/05/2020 18:17

pretty do you have any thoughts on flour storage? I've got some in a plastic bag at the moment (bakery splitting bags for sale) but I'm not sure if I should be decanting in to something else... I've got some large kilners somewhere...

DrBlackbird · 02/05/2020 18:21

PMK thanks Red

ListeningQuietly · 02/05/2020 18:28

Honeysuckle
I bought a 16kg bag of flour which I'm storing in the massive plastic tub I bought bird food fat balls in ...
I've got another couple from wool pellets for the garden that I can steam clean and they hold about 10kg each
so basically my stash will look weird but should work

JeSuisPoulet · 02/05/2020 18:41

Does anyone else think the pic of Wilfred looks like they've got a sideways pic of Bozo and shrunken it down? I keep seeing a shrunken Boris head and having to remember it's a real baby. No mistaking the father there at any rate! Would be fascinating to see what all of the others looked like at birth.

Caught up with Gogglebox - fast becoming the highlight of my week - and agree it is refreshing to see normal reactions to the shitshow. As another Boris aside, do we think he is deliberately growing his hair long to try to look more like Jesus? I have begun to wonder

SwedishEdith · 02/05/2020 18:45

Yes, I assumed photoshopped when saw the picture on Twitter.

prettybird · 02/05/2020 18:46

I'm storing a kilo of bread flour at a time in a kilner jar (the rest of the kg plastic bags are stuffed into the "cans" cupboard, self-raising is in a plastic container and my ceramic "flour" jar can take just under 1.5kg (Confused) but I too need to think more seriously about where/how to store more.

I used to store the paper bags of flour in the shelf above my pullout larder unit, to keep them away from any mice, but I think our current pair of cats have dealt with that problem Wink (plus me plugging up any holes in the walls I could find, eg where the gas pipes come in).

SwedishEdith · 02/05/2020 18:54

I daren't ever store flour or similar in anything except airtight containers now after our (full) larder was infested with pantry moths. So much good food had to be chucked out.

DGRossetti · 02/05/2020 18:56

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mrslaughan · 02/05/2020 18:56

I am planning on storing my sacks of flour (I am going to start buying bulk plain flour as we are going through so much) in one of those big plastic bins you get at hardware stores - I'll keep it in the sack , with the top rolled up. And decant it into my storage jar in the pantry kilo at a time.

When I was growing up in NZ is was a real fashion to have a swing out bin in you kitchen to keep you flour in- it was built in in the kitchen.

DGRossetti · 02/05/2020 19:00

Meanwhile, it seems that people like myself who have accused the government of slapdash amateur hour legislation over covid (as it it was all about style over substance) might be interested ...

Given some of the comments on MN, this could be an interesting bunfight ...

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/cps-will-review-every-charge-under-coronavirus-law-0l37rsg8f

Prosecutors are reviewing every charge brought under new emergency
coronavirus laws after wrongful convictions were highlighted by The Times.

Senior lawyers at Crown Prosecution Service headquarters are re-examining
every charge, conviction and sentence brought under the new legislation.
Several cases are being re-listed so they can be overturned after being
found to have been incorrectly prosecuted.

The CPS said that it is the first time it has ever launched a review of
every charge under a specific piece of legislation. The move reflects
concern over the new and widespread powers given to the state amid the
coronavirus crisis.

Campaigners at Big Brother Watch, the privacy group, have said that the
laws have entailed “the greatest loss of liberty ever imposed on the
British public”, yet did not receive full parliamentary scrutiny or
oversight.

Concerns have been raised over “heavy handed” policing, including drones
pursuing walkers in the Peak District, or people in their front gardens
being ordered indoors by officers.

The decision to review all charges was made soon after it was revealed
that the first conviction on the railways under the Coronavirus Act was
wrongly prosecuted. British Transport Police had the case of Marie Dinou,
41, of York, re-listed and overturned, after The Times pointed out that
the wrong section of the wrong act had been used to charge, convict and
sentence her.

Senior lawyers at the CPS became concerned at how “in a democracy, these
are such exceptional powers for the police to be given, they only came in
within a few days, we felt there would have to be extra work to make sure
they were being used appropriately.”

Training on new laws is being delivered to prosecutors and staff in the
CPS.

A spokesman said: “These are exceptional powers. We need to make sure they
are being applied consistently and lawfully.” He added: “We are working
with all police forces and prosecutors to make sure the new Coronavirus
Act and Regulations are being correctly applied. Unlawful charges are
being withdrawn by prosecutors in court and we are asking for any wrongful
convictions to be overturned.”

Two tranches of legislation were brought in in March to deal with the
virus outbreak: the Coronavirus Act, primarily to deal with potentially
infected persons, and the Health Protection Regulations, which are largely
concerned with restricting movement.

Police forces have been using the powers relating to potentially infected
persons to arrest and charge people despite no indication that they were
ill, when they were intending to restrict movement or believed an
individual to be in a public place without an excuse.

In some cases, charges have been withdrawn before going through the
courts. Some are incorrectly charged by police, prosecuted at a
magistrate’s court then sentenced by a district judge.

On Tuesday, The Times highlighted how Lewis Brown, 18, was arrested in
Oxford under Welsh coronavirus laws. He was fined at Oxford magistrates’
court by Kamlesh Rana, the district judge, under the wrong legislation.
Warwickshire police and the Metropolitan Police have also incorrectly
charged individuals who have been prosecuted and sentenced in the courts.
The cases were all overturned. Further wrongful cases have been identified
by the CPS. They are all being withdrawn.

Kirsty Brimelow, QC, who has analysed such wrongful convictions for The
Times, said the review “must be transparent with responsibility fairly
allocated for the failing and remedies prioritised”.

Silkie Carlo, the director of Big Brother Watch, said: “This is a vital
move by the CPS. Criminalisation of behaviours that were entirely ordinary
and lawful just weeks ago should be a last resort in this pandemic as
criminal records can change people’s lives.

“This unprecedented review is a reflection of how these draconian
emergency powers risk confusion, criminalisation and unduly stripping
people of their liberty.”

A National Police Chiefs’ Council spokesman said it provided guidance and
training materials to assist officers

mrslaughan · 02/05/2020 19:01

This is a more modern version

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mrslaughan · 02/05/2020 19:02

But for those struggling with storing there bulk provisions have a look at catering supplies - I just found these - meant to be airtight - there's less prototypes options

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JeSuisPoulet · 02/05/2020 19:06

Glad it isn't just me @SwedishEdith !
Re storage: I've got 6 of these with my non-freezer Brexit stash in. They stack and I have them in my lean-to and pantry without worrying about animals getting to them. Get very heavy with tins in though! www.amazon.co.uk/BANKERS-BOX-ProStore-Plastic-Storage/dp/B0825KG1K3/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&s=kitchen&keywords=60+lt&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1588442586&sr=1-1 Plus I think they are cheaper at The Range...

missclimpson · 02/05/2020 19:07

We keep our flour in the bags in an airtight plastic box down in the bakery (where the bread oven is 😀). We have had the odd mouse in the past and they love flour.

JeSuisPoulet · 02/05/2020 19:08

@mrslaughan I had 6 things in my Wish "basket" and the postage was over half of the cost of the items! I'm sure that's gone up in the last few weeks.

yoikes · 02/05/2020 19:08

Pmk

missclimpson · 02/05/2020 19:11

Our bread oven.

missclimpson · 02/05/2020 19:13

Try again.

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