Westministenders: Peak something

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Westministenders: Peak something

The story so far

COVID has changed the world for the next few years, like a slowly exploding nuke:

• killed well over 100,000 people
• made many people afraid to leave their home
• caused a Global Depression

Countries locked down because they needed the extra time to

Raise the Line while Flattening the Curve:

1. Flatten the curve of the numbers needing healthcare to a level the system can manage

2. Raise the capacity of their health services and public health systems - their testing and tracking process

Also, scientists desperately needed time to find out more about COVID:
how to avoid it, how to treat it

What happens next ?

Research teams around the world are working to produce a vaccine,
will become hopefully available within the next couple of years

In the meantime, treatment procedures are being developed to better treat COVID sufferers.

Also in the meantime, countries will need to gradually exit lockdown to rescue their economies from complete catastrophe.

Timing & measures for each country will be dependent on:

Death rate after peak,
health service capacity,
testing & tracing capacity etc

....and also what their govt and public deem an "acceptable" level of extra deaths & serious illness.

Possibly some countries will need to cycle in and out of lockdown,
whereas others will be able to accept the death toll with lesser social distancing measures.

The first few countries are already relaxing lockdown,
so the UK will watch, wait and hopefully learn what works and what doesn't

..... then copy these the correct way round

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/catastrophic-coronavirus-could-destroy-local-18120651.amp?__twitter_impression=true
‘Catastrophic’ - why coronavirus could destroy local services unless ministers bail out town halls

Over the last few years local councils have struggled to make ends meet.

At the start of this crisis the government told them they would be given anything they needed to get through the crisis.

But the local council bailout they have been given is, at best, a third of what they need just to cover costs.

Without business rates they were expecting and income from some commercial ventures they face a crisis which makes austerity look like a walk in the park.

On top of that Greater Manchester councils have part ownership in Manchester Airport (which they have an income from) but the airport is now in financial difficulties itself.

This article is just a snapshot if what will be happening all over the country.

Shame the aerospace industry doesn't read MN - their problems were raised and discussed here a month ago

Repeated snippets in reporting that the government seems unable to commit to anything while Boris is out. Which can't but help remind me of those totalitarian regimes where nobody dare do anything on their own initiative as it tends to become an invitation to an execution ...

We already have Comittees for Public Safety knocking on doors on Thursday nights to get the people out. Our local clap now runs to over three minutes. First one to stop gets tarred and feathered.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/boy-with-covid-19-did-not-transmit-disease-to-more-than-170-contacts
This might contribute to schools opening...

A little advice ... "Never invade Russia".

If this government is fighting C-19, it can't be fighting on a second front, trying to justify its incompetence. Wars don't work like that.

And Sky are putting the boot in. Where are all those posters so quick to say "but Corbyn ..." ?

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-only-formally-asked-turkey-for-ppe-shipment-after-it-said-it-was-already-on-its-way-11976238

Britain only made a formal request to Turkey over a consignment of personal protective equipment on Sunday - the day after a cabinet minister announced the "very significant additional shipment" was already heading to the UK, Turkish sources have told Sky News.

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DGR wow - a kid showing symptoms of influenza and attending 3 different ski schools! Poor sod!

JeSuisPoulet

I think you have confused me with another fabulous poster ...

I'm starting to distrust a lot of what I read on Mumsnet. There seem to have been an awful lot of medical staff pop up to post recently, they obviously have the time on their hands now as their wards are so quiet.

I'm starting to distrust a lot of what I read on Mumsnet.

Good . Distrust a lot of what you read everywhere.

There seem to have been an awful lot of medical staff pop up to post recently, they obviously have the time on their hands now as their wards are so quiet.

I noticed this too. I hate feeling like I need to question everything I read. It is exhausting.

Agree with that! There are rather a lot of these circulating the reopen school threads, too.

Interesting article auld. Because I was never tested or contact traced , I cannot say with factual certainty that I had Covid 19. But I believe I did . So, assuming I am right, I did not pass it on to any of my family either,. And I am 47.

That does not mean I didn't catch it FROM a child though...which I suspect strongly I did.

In addition to which That Guardian article is yet another article wilfully - or stupidly, you choose- misreading/not reading/misunderstanding the UCL research.

I noticed this too. I hate feeling like I need to question everything I read. It is exhausting

A quick innoculation against fake news:

• Who is telling me this ?
• Where are they getting their information ?
• What do they have to gain from telling me this ?
• What alternative sources can I find ?
• Who is challenging this news ?

Interesting article auld. Because I was never tested or contact traced , I cannot say with factual certainty that I had Covid 19. But I believe I did .

The ongoing "delay" in testing starts to look more and more deliberate, with a goal of swerving the fact a lot of people who think they've had C-19 simply haven't.

As long as you don't test anyone you can claim whatever you want - especially if it supports a certain view.

I'm predicting that the UK will continue to not test, but quietly up the "number infected" until - surprise ! - we can end lockdown.

I suspect the same!

Annoyingly, I fell ill just after Nadine Dorries, who is probably the last known non hospitalised person, outside of Downing Street and its tentacles, to be tested!

People talk of waiting for an effective vaccine, but how near are we to an effective treatment?

I was thinking of something like HIV - no vaccine, but now treatments, which means that people can live for years, whereas at first, it was like a death sentence.

We can only hope that if there is a vaccine, there won't be any serious implications between someone who has already had C-19. and someone who hasn't receiving it. Because that could be another opportunity for HMG to kill off a few more subjects.

I am not surprised by no Boris - a colleague from my husbands work ended up in hospital towards the beginning of the lockdown, requiring oxygen but not on a ventilator. He is still unwell - this virus with the damage it does to your lungs takes a long time to recover from.
Another friend who was only in hospital for about 18hours and discharged - is still unwell with breathlessness etc. She was told 6weeks to start to feel better, months to feel "normal" (presuming no permanent damage to lungs)

Loads of thanks and prayers from EU countries for all the PPE we are shipping to them.

People talk of waiting for an effective vaccine, but how near are we to an effective treatment?

A cheap effective treatment really.

Math - that story about the postie - well it's just fantastic Isn't it.

Je suis - but you would have to talk to your GP and from what I gather around here - if you mention anything like a symptom of Covid you are put straight into 111 - by whomever is managing the surgery - and I don't think that's the Gp - the receptionists are gate keepers...... so....... for the most part I would say bull shit

It could take Boris 1-2 months to recover. It can take 6 months to recover from pneumonia for example.