Westministenders: Peak something

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Westministenders: Peak something

The story so far

COVID has changed the world for the next few years, like a slowly exploding nuke:

• killed well over 100,000 people
• made many people afraid to leave their home
• caused a Global Depression

Countries locked down because they needed the extra time to

Raise the Line while Flattening the Curve:

1. Flatten the curve of the numbers needing healthcare to a level the system can manage

2. Raise the capacity of their health services and public health systems - their testing and tracking process

Also, scientists desperately needed time to find out more about COVID:
how to avoid it, how to treat it

What happens next ?

Research teams around the world are working to produce a vaccine,
will become hopefully available within the next couple of years

In the meantime, treatment procedures are being developed to better treat COVID sufferers.

Also in the meantime, countries will need to gradually exit lockdown to rescue their economies from complete catastrophe.

Timing & measures for each country will be dependent on:

Death rate after peak,
health service capacity,
testing & tracing capacity etc

....and also what their govt and public deem an "acceptable" level of extra deaths & serious illness.

Possibly some countries will need to cycle in and out of lockdown,
whereas others will be able to accept the death toll with lesser social distancing measures.

The first few countries are already relaxing lockdown,
so the UK will watch, wait and hopefully learn what works and what doesn't

..... then copy these the correct way round

You think you can't be shocked anymore. But when a govt dept creates/uses an agency to create fake accounts against its own advice > x 1000

I wonder how many are on MN as well

Not just those claiming to be nurses, but the upsurge in those claiming how little risk there is for "ordinary" people like them
and that those who died were going to die 5 minutes later anyway

How coronavirus brought aerospace down to earth

Another sector of the economy that is screwed until at least there is a vaccine, maybe even afterwards too
People need to feel safe again - and won't pay massive insurance premiums to cover quarantine & illness costs,
but the days of cheap flight may be over - back to the 1960s / 1970s ?

https://www.ft.com/content/3fe8a876-7d7c-11ea-8fdb-7ec06edeef84

Despite supplying more than 90 per cent of the world’s commercial aircraft,
Boeing and its European rival Airbus do not have much leverage when nearly all their airline customers are fighting for survival.

As international air travel grinds to a halt in the face of the coronavirus pandemic,
the global aerospace industry is being forced to confront some hard truths about a future it once believed was secure for at least the next decade.

Record order books, built on a decade of booming demand and worth more than $1tn at list prices,
are looking less certain by the day as airlines push back deliveries
and even cancel orders to survive the worst crisis in aviation history.

Ed Bastian, chief executive of the world’s biggest carrier, Delta Air Lines, says his company is burning through $60m a day while 600 aircraft are parked on the tarmac and 80 per cent of April’s scheduled flights are cancelled.

Iata, the aviation industry’s trade body, has warned that some
25m jobs in both the aerospace and aviation sectors are at risk
if governments do not step in with lifelines.

“I wish I could predict this would end soon,” Mr Bastian told employees in April.

“But the reality is we simply don’t know how long it will take before the virus is contained and customers are ready to fly again.”
......
Only in February Boeing and Airbus were confidently predicting demand for more than 40,000 aircraft worth roughly $7tn over the next 20 years
....
Aerospace companies are not only lifelines for tens of thousands of high-tech suppliers, ranging from big international companies such as Rolls-Royce and General Electric
to small family-run businesses providing low volumes of critical components.
They are also strategic enterprises for their governments.
They pay higher than average wages, drive innovation and generate healthy trade surpluses.
......
Brian Burridge, chief executive of the Royal Aeronautical Society, believes
there will be no going back to the good times for several years at least.

“We believe the airline ecosystem will be 50 per cent smaller,”

he says. Many airlines will shrink and others collapse.

“Out of the world’s nearly 1,000 airlines a lot are just bubbles of debt with wings.”

This wonderful Dr died today.

He treated my mum more than once. He was so kind.

I am utterly sickened by this Govt. and by every Tory voter that voted for them.

RiP Manjeet.

www.facebook.com/1607403666203321/posts/2662042114072799/

I'm very sorry to hear that Yoikes.

I am feeling heart sore today too: 2 relatives (1 a hcw, 1 a scw) both acquired COVID 19 recently, and although the prognosis is good, I am so angry that they, and the people they work with and for, have been avoidably put in harm's way. It is difficult to imagine that I'll forgive or forget.

I have friends on FB who are nurses who have changed their names to make themselves less easy to find as they've been told that any criticism or even implied criticism of what is going on in the NHS is a disciplinary offence.

Let's just say that they are not suggesting that herd immunity is the way forward nor are they exactly complimentary about the government's performance to date

I'm sorry to hear that arborrea
I'm so devastated for his poor family and colleagues.
His compassion just shone out of him :(

Sorry to hear that, yoikes. .

Shocking news about those SM accounts. How low will they stoop?

Meantime, an RAF plane sets off to pick up PPE from Turkey. Did the government not realise it's Click & Collect only while we're in lockdown?

I am so angry about these fake accounts. I’m usually just a lurker. I have also noticed full on attacks on anyone on MN saying anything even vaguely critical of the Govt handling of this.
What have we become? A country that lets people die unless they are part of the so-called top 5%. I am sickened.

Sorry to hear such sad news.

I also wanted to point out (on here because I know you'll appreciate the crap Public Health aspect), on the COVID govt advertisement the nurse on the right hand of the frame has her mask on below her nose after the ambulance/rainbow in window scene I mean, come on! Bugs me every time.

Funnily enough, we are used on the teacher bashing boards to posters claiming to be 'NHS workers'. This is because it gives them amoral high ground. I am very rarely convinced they are what or who they say they are.

a moral high ground not amoral

Oh dear, I have just read Laura Kuenssberg's post about the public mood becoming 'Scratchy'. I say read, I couldn't be bothered to read it all. I think the Sunday Times revelations of yesterday have made people more angry than the word scratchy conveys!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Jackson_Society (

• Ganley is a supplier of telecommunications tech in the US' defence' industry, not Woolsey. Woolsey is a member of the board of Ganley's company (or was last time I checked).

A rebuttal of the rebuttal here www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/fierce-rebuttals-mark-change-to-uk-covid-19-media-strategy as it seems science takes on govt for a battle to the death! OK, that may be a little extreme but this is all part of the "don't trust experts" narrative.

Methinks the RAF jet en route to Turkey is more than a day late and a good deal more than a dollar short.

I suspect a posse of Americans made the custodians of the airport shed in Turkey an offer they couldn't refuse.

Well Parliament us back today but still no Boris.

A small tidbit from Ireland - my mum, aged 86, is confined to her house.
She heard a loud banging on her door one day last week, followed by someone calling out loudly, 'Hello - Mrs X!' and asking her how she was doing - it was the postman doing a wellness check, which Irish posties are now doing on their rounds.

That's lovely math and a great idea although maybe a little scary at first! I got a shopping delivery erroneously delivered whilst in the bath the other night. The doorbell went and I was wondering who would be at my door at 9pm at night...was convinced whatever it was it wasn't going to be good!

I've had an interesting chat with a GP friend who assured me that if people die alone at home "The death Certificate has several sections 1a cause of death 1b conditions leading to 1a 1c any other conditions leading to 1b part 2 conditions not relating to 1a but likely contributing to death e.g. if elderly person at home with dementia and heart disease phone surgery and talked about cough / fever but preferred place of care / death was home rather than hospital then passes away 1a = viral pneumonia likely Covid-19 part 2 cardiovascular disease and dementia.
If that person had not seen / spoken to GP within 28 days of passing away then likely unexplained and referred to coroner"

So, according to her it is unlikely figures are being manipulated!
I'm still suspicious.

Just seen an RAF Globemaster land at Brize Norton on Flight Radar. It left Cyprus early this morning, flew via Turkey direct to UK.
May be the PPE has landed.

KonTikki pity Flight Radar doesn't tell you the contents!

Maybe the GCHQ version does !

If that person had not seen / spoken to GP within 28 days of passing away then likely unexplained and referred to coroner

If the reason why a GP cannot certify the death is because they haven’t treated the patient in the last 28 days, then the Coroner and GP discuss the cause of death. If the Coroner is satisfied that death was from natural causes and no further investigation is necessary, they can accept the GP’s cause of death and allow the death to be registered.

Has anyone here read World War Z? Completely fictional of course, but there's moments when I look at how similar the official reaction is to the book and think "thank fuck this one is a low fatality illness".