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Westministenders: Lockdown continues

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2020 16:32

The UK has been on lockdown since 23 March,
with no end in sight.

The deaths peak is predicted to be around 17 April,
with the controversial IHME prediction that the UK will have considerably more total deaths - 66,000 - by summer than other European countries.

Supermarkets are struggling to satisfy demand for online slots for the vulnerable
and to keep shelves supplied for other customers

Like all countries, the UK economy is being hammered and heading for a deep recession.
Estimates are for UK GDP to fall 15% this year.

A million people have applied for Universal Credit
The self-employed and small - and some large - businesses are struggling to stay solvent.

They don't know how long to plan for.

The PM is in ICU and Raab has taken over as stand-in, but needs Cabinet approval for decisions.
Probably BJ will be unfit to resume his duties as PM for several weeks, if ever.

WIll he stand down soon and let the Cabinet choose a new PM,
or will the UK continue for weeks with a stand-in leader during the worst crisis since WW2

What's the plan, anybody?

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GeistohneGrenzen · 15/04/2020 13:58

Thanks JeSuisPoulet

I don't have Facebook but clicked on your url just the same. When the sign in or register screen popped up, I clicked on the 'not now' button at the bottom and the video played perfectly (just for anyone who also lacks Facebook)

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 15/04/2020 14:23

I cannot see lame duck Trump behaving himself in a handover. He will need to be 25thed before he pardons himself for life for everything.

DGRossetti · 15/04/2020 14:26

I cannot see lame duck Trump behaving himself in a handover. He will need to be 25thed before he pardons himself for life for everything.

The one person POTUS cannot pardon is POTUS.

TheABC · 15/04/2020 14:35

I suspect if Trump is re-elected, he will retire on grounds of ill health.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 15/04/2020 14:37

"The one person POTUS cannot pardon is POTUS."

But he can pardon private citizen Ex-President Trump in advance.

Or maybe he can do a deal with Pence a la Nixon and Ford?

DGRossetti · 15/04/2020 14:48

"The one person POTUS cannot pardon is POTUS." [] But he can pardon private citizen Ex-President Trump in advance.

I don't believe he can.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_1:_Command_of_military;_Opinions_of_cabinet_secretaries;_Pardons

Or maybe he can do a deal with Pence a la Nixon and Ford?

He could ... however any such "deal" would be a gentlemans agreement.

Ford pardoned Nixon (and pretty much removed himself from US politics as a result) from a desire to move forwards without a damaging 2-decade inquiry that would have been unbearable in the recent aftermath of Vietnam.

But Trump has survived one impeachment, and it's hard to see another happening. So what would he need to be pardoned for ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/04/2020 15:15

"what would he need to be pardoned for ?"

All the other stuff he's done, that may one day come out !

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MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 15/04/2020 15:23

He can pardon himself for everything he did before he became president.

He can pardon Jared and Ivanka and all the other little Trumpets.

He can pardon Stone, Flynn, Manafort and the rest of his gang.

prettybird · 15/04/2020 15:29

But can he pardon himself for personally profiteering while he was POTUS? however much he might have tried to make it appear that he'd distanced himself from his business interests Hmm

JeSuisPoulet · 15/04/2020 15:42

I think the press should insist on a time and date clock behind Potus' podium. It would make it easier for all of the funny montages (like when Trump declared COVID a hoax on the very day the WHO declared it a pandemic).

JeSuisPoulet · 15/04/2020 15:44

Burney that's one of the reasons I'm a bit of a Francophile - the French see Amazon doing this and pull the reigns. I see it often with them "fighting" big businesses with poor morals Smile

QuestionMarkNow · 15/04/2020 16:03

I hope there is a reckoning after this is over, but I am not holding my breath

There wont be any reckonig because the system hasnt stopped working. As far as I kow they are still deporting people. And the 'rules' about visa (whihc yes include the fact that people earning less than £25k arent welcome) are still going ahead.
This is an issue that is quiet because people are focused on something else not because it has stopped.

Once the lockdown is finished and so many people are unemployed, the government isnt going to be welcoming people from abroad.

ICouldHaveBeenAContender · 15/04/2020 16:47

QuestionMarkNow - nor are the Brexit voters, and possibly some Remainders either.

DGRossetti · 15/04/2020 16:56

Dated today, but forgot to mention the 2-week quarantine you'd fucking expect a new arrival to the UK to undergo.

Or are these where those 100,000 a day tests are starting ?

metro.co.uk/2020/04/15/fruit-pickers-flown-romania-brits-failed-answer-call-help-12559562/

A charter flight of around 180 Romanian workers is set to land at Stansted Airport tomorrow to fill vacancies at UK farms amid the coronavirus crisis.

ListeningQuietly · 15/04/2020 16:59

At work today we agreed that within three years, pretty much all of the stress of Lockdown will have been forgotten.

Sostenueto · 15/04/2020 17:12

So Hancock giving care workers their own logo/badge.Shockwtf????? GIVE THEM A PAYRISE. GIVE THEM PROPER STATUS! They are PROFFESIONALS not children to be awarded a badge for good workAngryAngry

Peregrina · 15/04/2020 17:17

Romanian fruit pickers? I assume that we are glad we are still in a transition and FoM still applies - or otherwise the firms organising this would have had to stump up for visas.

Why aren't the Brexiteers volunteering?

DGRossetti · 15/04/2020 17:23

Why aren't the Brexiteers volunteering?

I was amused to see the reaction when I posted that story in the C-19 forum ... a one-off poster could not have been faster to cheer. I had to get a coffee to resist posting back in Russian.

meanwhile I notice that a delivery I'm getting is going to be "contactless" from the courier. Which also amused me, as when I suggested a couple of years ago that delivery drivers should just get a photo of the parcel and door (which is what they are doing) I got about 200 posts explaining to me why it wasn't possible. Which explains my slightly cynical attitude at times. Much like the "magic money tree" which Theresa May told us wasn't there, and then we had DUP, Brexit (again, and again and again) where all of a sudden there was magic money.

I still think we should scrap trident and make it into ventilators ....

QuestionMarkNow · 15/04/2020 17:29

Romanian did you say?
But I thought that we didnt want ANY unskilled workers coming over to the UK.... Confused
And the government did say that students and people who have been furlough should be going to work in farms too. Are we saying its not going to happen then??

What a surprise.

DGRossetti · 15/04/2020 17:32

Romanian did you say? [] But I thought that we didnt want ANY unskilled workers coming over to the UK....

On the CV forum, where I posted that, they're crowdfunding a welcome party and asking for claps at 8pm ...

ClashCityRocker · 15/04/2020 17:34

Well, my aunt's gone. Suspected Covid-19, but at her age (97) and with limited testing who knows.

I am so grateful to her favourite carer who sat and held her hand while she passed, despite my aunt being under sedation. The whole team have been hugely kind and compassionate throughout and I have no doubt they gave her the best death possible under the circumstances.

She led a remarkable life and was fit as a fiddle (well, as much as you can be at such an advanced age) only moving to a home last year when she decided her second floor flat with no lift was causing difficulties.

97 is a much greater age than many of the people who will be lost to this, either directly or indirectly. I am just sad that we can't give her the send of she deserves. Hopefully we can arrange some class of memorial when it's all over.

QuestionMarkNow · 15/04/2020 17:34

Meanwhile in care homes....

uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-elderly/rate-of-covid-infections-in-carehomes-may-be-as-high-as-70-head-of-four-seasons-says-idUKKCN21X1UY
The head of one of Britain’s largest independent providers of elderly care homes said he believed the rate of infections or suspected infections of COVID-19 across such homes was running at up to 70%.

Which isnt surprising. Once one person has contracted this virus, the close enviornment of a care home is the perfect environment for the diease to spread. Especially if people are contagious for a coupl of days befre showing symptoms.
On the top of that, I imagine they have regular visits of nurses/doctors anyway, all of whom are more likely to be carriers of the virus than the rest of the population.

QuestionMarkNow · 15/04/2020 17:36

@ClashCityRocker, Im sorry
Flowers for your aunt....

ClashCityRocker · 15/04/2020 17:40

Thank you Question.

And the care home thing feels very pertinent right now. I know there's been no visitors for a good while at my aunts, long before official 'lockdown'. I've been reading about the lack of PPE for careworkers, and combined with visitors such as health care professionals who have increased risk of being exposed to the virus, it does seem a perfect storm.

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