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Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2020 15:32

We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

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TheMShip · 03/04/2020 19:06

Auld
Also see www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance

midwesteaster · 03/04/2020 19:08
  • Disproportionately high black death rate in Michigan - and elsewhere ?

No surprise, probably because death rate would be related to access to health care - and hence income - before and during CV
*

This is the fear in Chicago, the damage it could do on the south side.
I would expect any illness to impact black communities more in the USA because they are and always have been the poorest, with less access to healthcare, less access to fresh food, more subject to trauma, poorer education, less employment and lower income levels. So many more potential co-morbidities.

There are also really unhelpful rumors that black people are less likely to catch it, the mayor addressed these directly on Twitter, I'm hoping as she is black herself she might be listened to.

AuldAlliance · 03/04/2020 19:12

Thanks!
Should have looked at NHS.
.

ListeningQuietly · 03/04/2020 19:20

midwest
There are also really unhelpful rumors that black people are less likely to catch it, the mayor addressed these directly on Twitter, I'm hoping as she is black herself she might be listened to
I've been hearing that out of New York churches as well

Auld
HTH - boring sources are good

BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2020 19:31

The 7-day thing seems to be a BJ wheeze (😂) , against WHO advice

  • remember this ?

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/29/boris-pressure-self-isolate-14-days-government-accused-going/

Boris Johnson should be forced to remain in quarantine for 14 days, a Labour MP serving as a doctor on the frontline has said,
as she called on the Government to align its guidance with the World Health Organisation (WHO).

Dr Rosena Allin-Khan, who is working night shifts in a south London hospital, claimed the Prime Minister’s decision to remain housebound for just one week was a source of “real worry” for some of her NHS colleagues.

Mr Johnson and Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, are both following the UK official advice and are self-isolating for a period of seven days after testing positive for Covid-19 on Fridayy_.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2020 19:32

Going to church seems a risk in itself - contagion and poor advice

Peregrina · 03/04/2020 19:45

I knew the term from Missionaries coming home on furlough.
Not that I know many missionaries.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2020 19:50

I know the term from military scifi books as well Grin

Jason118 · 03/04/2020 19:50

The Trump effect or just good ol' USA in character?

www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/corona-virus-lawsuits.html?referringSource=articleShare

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2020 19:56

Matthew Garrahan @mattgarrahan
This is an astonishing story
www.ft.com/content/03e45e35-ab09-4892-899d-a86db08a935c
US swoop on masks sees 3M supplies diverted from Berlin

Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning
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prettybird · 03/04/2020 20:02

Best sourdough loaf yet - thanks to DGR pointing me in the direction of a Clever Carrot Smile

Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning
Jason118 · 03/04/2020 20:07

17:37 BCF post @RedToothBrush . It's so bad it's worth a second read though Grin

midwesteaster · 03/04/2020 20:09

Looks fantastic.

I've made two face masks as USA is talking a lot about recommending that people were them when shopping and I don't want to take medical masks, even if I could get them.

A colleague of DH's in China is insisting on posting us medical ones from there as they have plenty in stock.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2020 20:13

Arh sorry.

Been cooking, nattering,walking and drinking since 5.30pm.

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2020 20:18

Yep, I posted upthread that German politicans are furious about this and using v strong language

  • especially in Berlin, as the msaks had been bought for their polcie dept

I've heard Trump has done the same the last couple of days to Canada and France - hijacking PPE they had already bought

BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2020 20:20

Well, we always knew he was a crook
... but hoped he'd be satisfied with stealing from his own country

Now branched out to steal from 3 others

midwesteaster · 03/04/2020 20:27

I reckon it's because Cuomo has been talking a lot about not getting PPE supplies from American manufacturers and why can't this happen.
He is getting a lot of airtime and Trump won't like that.

libn.com/2020/04/02/cuomo-nys-will-pay-a-premium-to-ppe-manufacturers/

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2020 20:43

I've heard Trump has done the same the last couple of days to Canada and France - hijacking PPE they had already bought

Yes I'd seen the stuff about Canada.

The idea that he will be any kind of friend to the UK is laughable.

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2020 20:47

He's in love with his own arsehole, from which the sun shines over the world

Mistigri · 03/04/2020 20:49

Died from / died with

I think this is a totally sterile argument that comes from a failure to understand life expectancy.

Most people over 60 live with comorbidities but still have a long life expectancy. This is even true after 80. A British woman of my mum's age (she's nearly 84) has a life expectancy of nearly 8 years.

Peregrina · 03/04/2020 20:59

I had seen the stuff about him hijacking the supplies to Provence - Alpes - Cote D'Azure region (PACA).

yoloPenguinsEatfish · 03/04/2020 21:06

Turns out we can get rough sleepers off the streets after all.
And speed up the benefits system and pay more.
And value people previously dismissed as “unskilled”.
And stop underfunding the NHS with the stroke of a pen.
When this is over, let’s never go back

PMK with hester's post

AuldAlliance · 03/04/2020 21:18

I don't know if it's due to the Easter holiday clampdown that the French PM mentioned yesterday (not that this part of France is on holiday yet), but there are roadblocks and police patrols all over my little provincial town.

I never imagined I'd see a mighty gendarme in a hardcore bulletproof jacket, wielding an automatic machine gun, waving my skinny 10-year-old down on his scooter in front of our house.
Luckily I was jogging not far behind and sped up with our ID and authorisation papers.
Equally luckily, I refrained from saying that perhaps a facemask and gloves might be more useful than the bulletproof gear.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/04/2020 21:25

Meanwhile, everyone is too distracted to notice what populist semi-dictator Orbàn is up to, so .....

Guy Verhofstadt@guyverhofstadt

Yesterday, Orbàn side-lined the Hungarian Parliament.
Today he goes a step further and wants to strip elected city mayors of their powers

The silence of the European Commission is deafening & soon becomes complicity.

Katalin Cseh@katkacseh

After acquiring extraordinary powers with no time-limit
the HU government tabled a bill that would
strip mayors of their powers, transferring them to a committee of ‪#Fidesz‬-appointees.

4 out of 5 of the biggest cities, including Budapest, elected opposition mayors 6 months ago.

ListeningQuietly · 03/04/2020 21:36

HS2 - not needed, not yet built
Heathrow 3rd Runway - not built, not needed

Nightingale hospital - opened the day the demand starts to drop
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/nightingale-emergency-coronavirus-hospital-london