Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

I agree on the snowflakeness of the UK.

Does that prediction/projection posted above include the Nightingale beds?

Coronavirus in Scotland: Orange Order plan Glasgow parade^ to thank Tory government^

Is Scotland that grateful, or just the Orange Order - of how many thousand ?

www.heraldscotland.com/news/18362247.coronavirus-scotland-orange-order-plan-glasgow-parade-thank-tory-government/?ref=ar

BCF they what??? . Words fail me.

I wonder if IHME took the official figures of beds before every country did their surges and also built new COVID hospitals, as many have

I don't know how many deaths per country were estimated due to lack of ICU
France 15,000 dead sounded plausible though

• has Macron or someone given an estimate ?

It was the UK 66,000 that is well above even worst case for UK govt

• Valance or someone said 50k at worst, 20k a good result

I doubt most of the Orange Order marchers are Tory voters, to be honest! Bizarre.

Just read the article ... they just want to have their silly march and are using thanking the NHS and the government has a thinly veiled excuse to reschedule their sectarian shenanigans.

Agree, Piggy

Tempted to post this on the language thread to see how many different ways to say "Oh do go fuck yourself" there are.

Shame he wasn't so "terrified" about dragging the UK into an illegal war that our great grandchildren will be able to discuss as a feature of life in the UK.

That's exactly it Piggy

DG I'm looking for ways out of this crisis and whoever is talking sense

That war from 17 years ago probably won't be any larger in the history books than the long list of illegal wars and famines that GB is responsible for

Same corner of the world and killing people now:
The sanctions against Iran are still continuing and are hindering their COVID efforts

• keeping them on Iran and ignoring e.g. Saudi is just perverse

"I doubt most of the Orange Order marchers are Tory voters, "

Ah, I thought the Orange Order would be voting as far right as available - thinking of NI -
but would vote Tory where the Faragists have no chance

.... good to hear from Scottish MNers what is actually going on

Yeah , true BCF but Labour are anti independence (or say they are!) so they tended to stick to their roots. The fact that the SNP did so well in Glasgow nicely suggests the orangeists are losing a following.

Yy Piggy bunch of ejjits.

Only good orange order is a vodka and orange order. Ice and no umbrella.

As seen in New York

Germany has been taking critical patients from both France and Italy for some time
We were told they had no ICU beds available, but maybe it was creating a bit of space for possible new arrivals

There are still loads of beds in a France just not necessarily in the affected areas. Toulouse hospitals have been ready for a wave that hasn't yet arrived (and may not arrive).

Patients are being moved out of Paris to Nantes, Bordeaux and Toulouse but from Strasbourg and Metz it makes more sense for them to go to Germany.

Anyway I'm having a weird lockdown.

Work is incredibly busy (doing a lot of work on supply chain impacts) and I have also suddenly and bizarrely found myself doing the IT and admin for a fruit and veg home delivery service that started 2 weeks ago and now has literally hundreds of clients. Im not charging for my work - this is my community contribution, as I'm asthmatic so can't volunteer in public facing roles ... instead I sit in our office every evening sorting out the delivery of dozens of kilos of fruit and veg to remote villages.

There is also the issue of some private hospitals where the beds are empty if I understood well....

BCF it looks fairly on track - couple of days out for France which it projected 865 deaths on 5th April, which has today had 833 deaths www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52191889.

That's a brilliant voluntary contribution, misti

I wonder if some of these local delivery services that have sprung up will continue longterm
The crisis itself may well last for 18 months and local is more reliable if some foodchains are indeed disrupted due to staffing issues

"from Strasbourg and Metz it makes more sense for them to go to Germany."

It makes sense within the EU / EEA

Remember, Germany wasn't taking anyone - despite massive spare capacity and Italy being overwhelmed -
until the EU Commission gave a rebuke and a sharp reminder about the need for European solidarity

Same temptation for countries as for people:
in potential scarcity, hoard your own supplies for your own family, even if down the road your neighbours are going short
Whereas people would share with wider family

I hope the tragically high casualties among NHS staff of foreign origin makes people realise how eesential immigrants are

(and if there are shortages because food rots unpicked in British fields)

This nurse was still working at 70 - and without PPE

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/07/hong-kong-born-nurse-dies-of-coronavirus-after-44-years-with-nhs

A dedicated nurse who has worked in the NHS since she arrived in London from Hong Kongg^ in the 1970s has died from coronavirus at the age of 70.

Alice Kit Tak Ong, who worked for the health service for 44 years, was described by her daughter Melissa as “completely dedicated”.

Her family believe she may have contracted the virus while working without protective equipment in a doctor’s surgery.

Ong came to the UK aged 23 to study nursing and joined the health service as soon as she was able.

At 70, she was still working full-time across two surgeries and running busy baby clinics until she became ill with coronavirus

Midwesteasterer I am not at all surprised that Americans are hunkering down in the face of a pandemic. Whilst they might embrace the concept of liberty from my observation of them adjusting to expat life in Asia they have a much narrower comfort zone than the rest of us. Even the presence of trash cans in the street could bring on an attack of “oh how poor people are here” (though I am sure you would not have to head far into poor areas of US cities to find worse). Very little tolerance for risk and anything less than Martha Stewart levels of hygiene.

Louise Collins I do not call a significant proportion of older people being prepared to conform to government rules in the face of an infectious disease that could kill them resilience, self interest more likely. And no there have been no protests (not that I call no riots a default for resilience) because large sections of the population, especially younger ones are treating it like a holiday and are not bothered by either rules or a fear of Covid. They have been enabled in this by mixed and inconsistent messages from government. We have had spitting at Police, panic buying, abusing NHS workers for jumping supermarket queues. And we have had a worsening of the support for the most deprived parts of our community.

It is nice that in my middle class community we were quick to support each other with shopping, home schooling etc but I don’t think that is resilience it is just being thoughtful......

It is beyond me how you could possibly think that it proves we will be resilient in the face of no deal Brexit food shortages etc when this, the panic buying, the resentment, will just be limbering up for a Brexit no deal. And this is an unavoidable crisis that threatens us all, even if some don’t realise it. Why would there be resilience in the face of a self imposed crisis that almost half the population don’t want?

I know there is mindless violence around all the time and there were probably tyres slashed on ambulances before CV;
it just shocks more now that a few people still do this

And the disgusting "CV attacks"
e.g. like that bastard deliberately coughing in the face of a blind woman with guide dog and claiming he'd got CV