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Westministenders: Crisis, which crisis ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 18:25

Main crises facing the government:

. Negotiating a Brexit deal with the EU
. Coronoavirus
. Floods
. Allegations of some ministers - and Cummings - bullying civil servants
. More trouble threatened from Turkey / Syria

Unfortunately with all these parallel crises, we have a workshy lying arse as PM
and the worst collection yet of incompetents in Cabinet
who seem to have decided on a strategy of bullying their civil servants to avoid hearing any facts that don't fit with current Tory party ideology

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borntobequiet · 03/03/2020 14:54

If Patel had any sense she would quit now, perhaps feigning a convenient illness.

Nice there's one to hand.

DGRossetti · 03/03/2020 14:54

Who remembers Arron Banks ?

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2019/3451.html

Looks like Banks is likely to lose, and to pay a hefty costs bill but it's
not over till it's over.

The judge has ruled on the "meanings" of the offending words but a future
hearing will decide if she has a valid defence.

In my judgment, the Ted Talk and the First Tweet meant:

 On more than one occasion Mr. Banks told untruths about a secret

relationship he had with the Russian Government in relation to acceptance
of foreign funding of electoral campaigns in breach of the law on such
funding.

The Convention Speech meant:

 Mr. Banks had been offered money by the Russians and that there

were substantial grounds to investigate whether he would be willing to
accept such funds in violation of prohibitions on foreign electoral
funding.

The Second Tweet meant:

 There is a proper basis to investigate whether Mr. Banks' contact

with Russia involved any criminal conduct just as the Italian government
is investigating Lega's contact with the Russians.

unquote

There are some interesting Brexit arguments quoted in the judgment.

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So, on the day after the Brexit vote, in June 2016, when Britain woke up
to the shock of discovering that we're leaving the European Union, my
editor at the "Observer" newspaper in the UK asked me to go back to South
Wales, where I grew up, and to write a report. And so I went to a town
called Ebbw Vale. And I went there because it had one of the highest
"Leave" votes in the country. Sixty-two percent of the people here voted
to leave the European Union. And I wanted to know why.

This is a new 33-million-pound college of further education that was
mostly funded by the European Union. And this is the new sports center
that's at the middle of 350-million-pound regeneration project that's
being funded by the European Union. And this is the new 77-million-pound
road-improvement scheme, and there's a new train line, a new railway
station, and they're all being funded by the European Union. And it's not
as if any of this is a secret, because there's big signs like this
everywhere.

And it came to a head when I met this young man in front of the sports
center. And he told me that he had voted to leave, because the European
Union had done nothing for him. He was fed up with it. And all around
town, people told me the same thing. They said that they wanted to take
back control, which was one of the slogans in the campaign. And they told
me that they were most fed up with the immigrants and with the refugees.
They'd had enough. Which was odd. Because walking around, I didn't meet
any immigrants or refugees. I met one Polish woman who told me she was
practically the only foreigner in town. And when I checked the figures, I
discovered that Ebbw Vale actually has one of the lowest rates of
immigration in the country. And so I was just a bit baffled, because I
couldn't really understand where people were getting their information
from.

But then after the article came out, this woman got in touch with me. And
she was from Ebbw Vale, and she told me about all this stuff that she'd
seen on Facebook. I was like, "What stuff?" And she said it was all this
quite scary stuff about immigration, and especially about Turkey.

DGRossetti · 03/03/2020 15:02

If Patel had any sense she would quit now, perhaps feigning a convenient illness.

I don't think that fits with the narrative of the emergence of a New Humanity that we are seeing created before our very votes. There's Man and Superman; and the new elite - by definition - must be Supermen. No disease. No moral deficiency. Priti much perfect, if you see what I mean.

Should it actually end up before a court, this case will be painted as the fit (Patel) taking out the unfit (Rutnam) in a Darwinian demonstration of why Patel is Fit-To-Rule.

ListeningQuietly · 03/03/2020 15:16

Glad I wasn't at Center Parks with Stephen Yaxley Lennon Smile

Mistigri · 03/03/2020 15:22

I don't know why you bother to respond to me clavinova. I've turned off notifications because of trolling by Brexit bots and I don't read your posts, only the bits others quote.

Patel is dead in the water anyway. £25k won't silence criticism this time and Johnson will discard her ruthlessly if it's in his best interests.

Mistigri · 03/03/2020 15:25

This is a useful distraction at just the right time.

It might become more than a distraction if it's handled badly. There is potential for it to derail other government business entirely.

It's also a heaven-sent opportunity to extend transition without admitting failure, citing force majeure.

DGRossetti · 03/03/2020 15:31

www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/02/brexit_satellite_delay/

Hopes of an on-time delivery of a report into how the UK's Galileo replacement might work have been dealt a blow as, yup, it's running late.

According to the Financial Times, the wholly unsurprising news is that squabbles over cost and scope have led to a delay of at least six months in the publication of the plan.

Back in 2018, as it finally dawned on politicos that the UK was not going to keep its status in the navigation system after its departure from the EU club, Brits did an expensive version of the playground "my bat, my ball" and stomped off to spank £92m on a feasibility study.

That study (to look at a Brit-based alternative), kicked off in August 2018, was to be led by the UK Space Agency and take 18 months. Eighteen months later, it is conspicuous by its absence

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Mockerswithnoknockers · 03/03/2020 15:32

I don't think that fits with the narrative of the emergence of a New Humanity that we are seeing created before our very votes. There's Man and Superman; and the new elite - by definition - must be Supermen.

This is very much the view of Saj's favourite author, Ayn Rand, darling of the NeoCon Right.

DGRossetti · 03/03/2020 15:36

It's also a heaven-sent opportunity to extend transition without admitting failure, citing force majeure.

Without looking, I am going to bet that the UK side of the WA makes no such provision. It runs out on the 31st Dec 2020 and THAT'S IT.

remember Boris insisted on actually making it law it could not be extended. So if a few months have to be lost due to "other events", it's the UKs deadline that is ticking. No one elses.

LouiseCollins28 · 03/03/2020 15:40

Pretty sensible given the extensions to the Brexit "deadlines" before 31st March, IMO, why give people the opportunity to make mischief by pushing for extensions?

DGRossetti · 03/03/2020 15:41

This is very much the view of Saj's favourite author, Ayn Rand, darling of the NeoCon Right.

Sounds like a shit retread of Nietzsche then ...

Mockerswithnoknockers · 03/03/2020 15:49

Right about the shit part.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

She is the holy prophet of all those Breitbart boys.

FrankieStein402 · 03/03/2020 16:06

Boris going to take parental leave in early summer
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/03/boris-johnson-paternity-leave-prime-minister-carrie-symonds

Well I guess there won't be much else going on at the time and in any case could we tell?

BigChocFrenzy · 03/03/2020 16:09

I suggested before that the Coronavirus crisis is a readymade excuse for BJ to request an extension,
since there is no time for more than the barest bone FTA by 31 December

However, he probably sees it as a heaven-sent excuse (God is a Tory) to explain away a 2021 Brexit economic crash

All countries will still be suffering economic effects then
and we've seen how eager Brexiters / Tories are to explain away the existing negative economic effects of Brexit.

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Mistigri · 03/03/2020 16:09

remember Boris insisted on actually making it law it could not be extended

Laws can be changed.

Tbh I'm beginning to wonder if Johnson will go the distance. For a fat lazy bloke who likes to be loved, governing in a crisis has got to seem like very hard work.

Mistigri · 03/03/2020 16:12

However, he probably sees it as a heaven-sent excuse (God is a Tory) to explain away a 2021 Brexit economic crash

The problem is that the coronavirus introduces a nasty dose of additional uncertainty and risk to any strategic calculations of this sort.

Preparing to crash out of the EU while hospitals are drowning in seriously ill, intubated Tory voters doesn't sound like much fun to me. A fat lazy serial breeder might even pretend to be interested in his kid to get away from it.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/03/2020 16:13

Looking at how he treats his kids, I suspect Parental Leave is yet another jolly wheaze for the workshy BJ to avoid doing his job

The country might be safer without this rude bumbling liar, but it depends if his stand-in are even worse:
JRM, Raab, Patel ... a Chamber of Horrors to choose from

Whoever is named, it might still be Cummings who is really running / ruining the country

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/03/2020 16:14

Crosspost, Misti ! Grin

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Moanranger · 03/03/2020 16:53

The New York Times is reporting that US-UK trade deal unlikely this year as it is an election year. That’s because it could be weaponised against Trump. So no deal until after Nov 2020 & it is possible that there will be a new Administration, one not so friendly to BJ.
So much for BJ’s boast of a fast deal with US & his two fingers to the EU. He’ll end up with zip - though maybe that’s the plan.
(NYT behind a firewall)

Clavinova · 03/03/2020 16:57

Mistigri
I don't know why you bother to respond to me clavinova. I've turned off notifications because of trolling by Brexit bots and I don't read your posts, only the bits others quote.

You could have told me before I posted my replies. Grin I didn't notify you directly though (I very rarely notify anyone directly - 2 or 3 times perhaps) - I highlighted your user name in bold letters instead. What do Brexit bots post exactly? I've never come across one - although I do get some suspicious emails from the Daily Telegraph. Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 03/03/2020 17:03

The US trade deal is dead anyway if BJ does not follow the Irish Protocol in the WA

  • both because it could lose Trump too many voters and because Congress would block it
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BigChocFrenzy · 03/03/2020 17:05

France is giving 20 day’s statutory pay if a person has to self isolate,
(following official criteria and with a cover note from the regional health authority)

Germany has long had 6 weeks on full pay for sickness as standard anyway

DePiffle is giving the UK 2 rounds of Happy Birthday and the tender mercies of the DWP & UC

If we avoid a mass pandemic, it will be because we are an island and because the NHS somehow manages to cope with the extra work

And damned good luck, not good government.

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DGRossetti · 03/03/2020 17:09

The New York Times is reporting that US-UK trade deal unlikely this year as it is an election year. That’s because it could be weaponised against Trump. So no deal until after Nov 2020 & it is possible that there will be a new Administration, one not so friendly to BJ.

Although I'm in the "Trump will win" camp, there's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip, and the best laid plans of mice and men aft gang agley.

And if we all want to live in interesting times, what are the odd that the presidential election will end in a draw ?

Mistigri · 03/03/2020 17:10

BCF, you don't get sick pay in France if you're self-employed, except in limited circumstances (but the gig economy is much smaller here and zero hours contracts are not permitted).

I absolutely believe that the potential for low paid gig economy workers to spread the virus is a major issue, but I think some of the sick pay comparisons are not very correct. A lot of U.K. companies have very generous sick pay benefits - it's people in low wage/low job security, mainly service sector jobs that will have issues.

Situation is much worse in the US of course because people self-quarantining could lose their jobs and their health insurance.

ListeningQuietly · 03/03/2020 17:33

I do wonder a bit why the governments are frothing up the media quite as much as they are .....
its almost as if they want to distract us from something ......

Yes, COVID is serious for the elderly who are already ill
but for most young people and the healthy its will go past without being noticed.

So why the need to bring out the Army?
And will they be sent away gain when its all calmed down by mid June ?