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Westministenders: Crisis, which crisis ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/02/2020 18:25

Main crises facing the government:

. Negotiating a Brexit deal with the EU
. Coronoavirus
. Floods
. Allegations of some ministers - and Cummings - bullying civil servants
. More trouble threatened from Turkey / Syria

Unfortunately with all these parallel crises, we have a workshy lying arse as PM
and the worst collection yet of incompetents in Cabinet
who seem to have decided on a strategy of bullying their civil servants to avoid hearing any facts that don't fit with current Tory party ideology

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DGRossetti · 11/03/2020 16:49

But VAT removed from digital publications.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51832899

Obviously it's fair the few blind should subsidise the many readers, and Registered Blind DW said she didn't need the money anyway.

HenHarrier · 11/03/2020 16:52

The HoC was designed to be adversarial with the opposition parties facing each other on narrow benches.

By contrast, the hemicyclic Holyrood chamber was designed to encourage consensus and compromise.

HenHarrier · 11/03/2020 16:56

DH is already convinced that the state pension pretty much won’t exist in 10 years time - especially for anyone with a private pension.

DGRossetti · 11/03/2020 17:04

DH is already convinced that the state pension pretty much won’t exist in 10 years time - especially for anyone with a private pension

I look forward to the NI refunds then.

ListeningQuietly · 11/03/2020 17:10

I view my class 2 NI as giving me SSP and not much more.
If I do happen to get a state pension it will never be enough to live on

boatyardblues · 11/03/2020 17:19

^but they are staying away from old people
and take the view that the Brexiter boomers are about to get what's coming to them.^

DS1 (14) was telling us over dinner last night “they’re calling it [Corvid-19] Boomer Doomer” in a jokey fashion. I reminded him that his 2 surviving grandparents are boomers, one not long recovered from major surgery & with a relevant health condition, the other due to go in for abdominal surgery soon. Then he got upset, so I also reminded him they live like preppers and have a reasonable stash of UHT and tins under their stairs so we’ll just have to keep our fingers crossed they don’t get it.

ListeningQuietly · 11/03/2020 17:25

Boatyard
My parents are in their 70's and 80's respectively. Both are hale and hearty BUT are both starting to be very very careful about hygiene and contact. One has the space to self isolate, the other lives in a very small flat with sod all storage space. I worry about both of them but TBH I'm most use to them if I stay healthy so that is my focus.

midwestspring · 11/03/2020 17:49

That would only be useful if we equate MPs with rats ....

Which having had rats as pets would be most unfair!
Rats work in social groups and help weaker members out when they need help.
They are both smart and affectionate.

DGRossetti · 11/03/2020 17:56

Some wag has just suggested a CrowdFund to get some assistance to the virus trapped inside Nadine Dorries.

yoikes · 11/03/2020 18:16

Loving avenue 5 DG!
Where - exactly - is the cash coming from???

DGRossetti · 11/03/2020 18:52

Less noticed

DGRossetti · 11/03/2020 18:56

(pressed send too soon)

Less noticed seems to be the 2% digital services ("Google") tax.

More controversially, the UK government has pushed ahead with a 2 per cent digital services tax, which has provoked the ire of politicians, lobbies and digital industry giants based in the US.

www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/11/uk_budget_2020_tech/

Mockerswithnoknockers · 11/03/2020 19:00

...And the USA seems still to be applying the punitive Anti-EU tariffs on Scotch despite Brexit.

So much for Bozza's friend in the White House.

mathanxiety · 11/03/2020 19:09

Its looking very Darwinish on CNN, with the frail elderly Trump-voters in Florida saying its all fake news.

I hate to use the word 'karma', but it is very tempting.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2020 20:44

The UK will be lucky to escape more punitive tariffs, what with Huawei and now this :

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/11/ukbudgett2020tech/

"the UK government has pushed ahead with a 2 per cent digital services taxx^, which has provoked the ire of politicians, lobbies and digital industry giants based in the US."

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TheElementsOfMedical · 11/03/2020 21:11

I find the Coronavirus threads somewhat variable in quality and trending towards deterioration as the pandemic situation itself deteriorates (sometimes you have to sift out a lot of noise to find the signal). But interesting to me is, on the recent thread iterations, a significant uptick in posts defending the government and its (in)actions, often with an ad hominem strategy. This evening, there was even a poster who drew a direct connection between people criticising the government's COVID non-policy and people who disagree with Brexit.

Is this the latest tooth in the Brexitannian patriotic ratchet, do we think?

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2020 22:01

Elements One commentator has complained in much the same words on a few threads that the same people who are demanding expensive measures are the same who objected to the expense of Brexit Confused

That the former was about politics and the latter was to prevent a terrible loss of life didn't seem to have occurred to that poster

I've noticed for some time that Tory or pro-Brexit commentators I recognised were piling on with "hysterical" and "scare-mongering"

Of course, this only further wound up those who were terrified - nearly all of them for their kids
So there have been a few flights of fancy from pp scared and frustrated

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Mistigri · 11/03/2020 22:13

Éléments, there is a denial trifecta - find me a trade and climate denier and you can more or less bet they'll be in the "just flu" camp.

RedToothBrush · 11/03/2020 22:14

This evening, there was even a poster who drew a direct connection between people criticising the government's COVID non-policy and people who disagree with Brexit

My understanding is there is a political divide on the issue both in the UK and the US.

I can not help but wonder why our scientific advice is so out of step with WHOs, the EUs, China's and other East Asian nations. What's that all about? What do we know that others dont? Or is there something else going on?

We know that Trump over ruled the advice of the CDC on several occasions and we know that a whistle-blower in the US highlighted how infection control at a quarantine centre for people returning from abroad was openly flouted. Then mysteriously a cluster outbreak appeared just 20 min drive away. This cluster had no known over seas travel and strangely despite unwillingness to test in the US, the initial case in this cluster was. Is there some sort of cover up, deliberately strategic political decision making or politics overruling medical opinion? As is the case in the US.

WHO are openly saying that several nations aren't taking this seriously and are not taking appropriate measures to control the spread.

We know that UK advice on 111 is poor and inconsistent. There are numerous reports today of people being stuck and unable to get medical attention because of of it. That smacks of poor training, poor leadership and bad management at a senior policy making level.

My feeling is that people who don't pay attention to the news or don't wish to believe in inconvenient truths or lack imagination to see what might happen have certain political beliefs. From talking to a friend her attitude is that 'oh the government will sort it out, they always do' in a somewhat naive fashion. It doesn't enter her head that this government might be the one that incompetent and unable to 'sort it out'.

There is this real inability to assess risk and issues that are inconvenient to her world view.

It's fascinating to see. She thought two weeks ago that there was nothing to coronavirus and it would all just 'blow over'. I just politely nodded and kept my mouth shut. It isn't worth the argument. Her father is in his 80s and increasingly poor health. I do not fancy his chances if he gets it. The only saving grace is he's a miserable old fucker who rarely goes out these days and isn't exactly socialite of the year so he might be isolated enough from the world to avoid it.

I dunno.

Part of me thinks that our shortage of beds means we are fucked either way so the strategy is a hard but fast approach to 'get it done'. With it in mind that it would cause a social restructuring which might solve some of our most complex social problems and in the process also solve part of our financial black hole problem caused by Brexit and improve our national productivity in the medium to long term. Ironically our no deal planning means we are well prepared for a more extreme outcome than perhaps other EU countries.

The quicker we all have it, and build up some immunity, the quicker we can become more competitive than our neighbours.

If we control it too well, we have the risk of being in the same situation of people suddenly all catching it at the same time in the winter anyway.

Then we do have the spectre of Cummings who is very much in the eugenics school of thought. What better way to achieve that, but via a naturally occurring phenomenon. It shifts blame.

I can well imagine the conversation at cobra. Full of comments which deeply dehumanise individuals.

I don't know, but there is social divide on this issue.

ListeningQuietly · 11/03/2020 22:32

A friend has just come back from Italy to go into 2 weeks self isolation
but had to do public transport across London first

  • along with everybody from their flight Hmm
HesterThrale · 11/03/2020 22:33

In other news, it looks like Putin will be around for a long time.

twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1237498878389374976

Sostenueto · 11/03/2020 22:36

First case of Covid 19 in a care home in UK.

HenHarrier · 11/03/2020 22:39

Health modelling indicating that as a reasonable estimate 50% of the population will get this coronavirus plus the lack of critical care beds means that the UK Government is holding back on just how overwhelming for health services this will be.

ListeningQuietly · 11/03/2020 22:40

First case of Covid 19 in a care home in UK.
Don't buy shares in McCarthy and Stone

HenHarrier · 11/03/2020 22:44

Don't buy anything ever McCarthy and Stone. Shysters.

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