Is the EU falling apart...?

[Frownette]

My mother seems to be convinced it is. She hasn't given a compelling reason.

And someone at the Halifax told her that it was!

China was the 9th biggest economy in 1980 and the UK was 5 times larger, does this mean the UK is in decline?

Relative to the rest of the World yes.

Who provided the analysis to support this overview?

Wasn’t analysis, but historical data.

Historical data needs analysis in order to be able to come to the conclusions your article did.

The UK isn't in decline in comparison to the rest of the world in terms of trade/GDP or anything else.

Someone doesn't know about convergence.

Historical data needs analysis in order to be able to come to the conclusions your article did

Wasn’t an article, but a chart based on historical data. No analysis required other than to look at the overall trend. In this case the EUs % of World share is almost a straight line downwards from left to right.

Extrapolation is not always reliable as demonstrated by some of your previous posts. However, based on a 45 year trend the EUs World share has dropped from about 36% to 24%. On that trend EU will be 12% by around 2060.

You are discussing different articles.

Yes the EU's share of world trade is falling, but kt because it has lower levels of trade. In real terms it has grown in a large way.

However, as other countries in the rest of the world had very low levels of development 45 years ago, they had very low levels of international trade. As they have developed and industrialised their share of trade has grown, but then so has the total level of global trade.

You don't really know what you are talking about.

As they have developed and industrialised their share of trade has grown, but then so has the total level of global trade

So where is the chart for EU share based on the total level of global trade?

You don't really know what you are talking about.

He has a full-time job (literally - check out using advanced search), posting shite about Brexit and wasting people's time. Can't believe that so many are falling for it.

Can't believe that so many are falling for it

Who do you think was the biggest faller?

Mistigri

Its unfortunate that some use these Brexit forums not to inform or put forward a genuinely held different POV but to antagonise and divert the thread topic, many (if not all) posts are just fishing for a response.

I think we can happily ignore Mystery because 95% of what he posts is just noise, but there are good points being made, which others can learn from and contribute to.

Falling apart? Nope. Brexit has actually strengthened the loyalty of members.

Its unfortunate that some use these Brexit forums not to inform or put forward a genuinely held different POV but to antagonise and divert the thread topic, many (if not all) posts are just fishing for a response

Says the poster who thought imprisonment of 17.4 million leave voters was a good idea even though the cost would would be simultaneously magnitude as UK GDP

but there are good points being made, which others can learn from and contribute to

This thread, like many others, is just another sulking ground for remainers who only want to see posts that echo their own.

Less than 7 days since UK left the EU and already people are suggesting an application to rejoin. What the don’t realise is that they are following leavers script if Brexit is unsuccessful. The lines are:

Failure to accept that UK has left the EU sabotaged the negotiations as EU not sure what position to take if there is an application to rejoin imminent.

Remainers did not give Brexit sufficient time to take effect.

All the talk of rejoin created uncertainty which discouraged investment and devalued sterling.

The list could go on.

However, everyone is entitled to their opinion and may support whatever cause they wish. So good luck to all.

If Brexit was going to be such a sterling success, then it would not be thwarted by people posting on the internet.

Farage whinged for years, so I can't see why the Rejoiners should be required to shut up.

After all 'we held all the cards'.... blah, blah, there were going to be no downsides - so no need to talk of 'giving Brexit time to take effect'. It should be all benefit from the off.

The Brexit vote was in June 2016
since then those pleased with the result have been singularly unable to define a version of Brexit to carry out.

Brexit was seven days ago
and in that time we who were unhappy with the result have devised a clear, measurable, understandable and realisable version of Brexit to carry out
BrINO and then ReJoin

those who are unhappy with what we have achieved should stop moaning and come up with a clear plan of their own

It should be all benefit from the off

That wasn’t my view with respect to trade. Impossible to be an overnight turnaround.

Article 50 prevent discussion until after UK left the EU.

In terms of being easy that is possible if an existing model is used. However, even if easy it doesn’t mean it will be quick. Peeling a carrot 🥕 is easy, but if you have to peel thousand it will be time consuming.

so I can't see why the Rejoiners should be required to shut up

They don’t have to and can campaign to rejoin. However, I can’t see any party presenting a rejoin manifesto until there is sufficient indisputable data available.

@ListeningQuietly

Presenting a version of leave is not easy as there are almost an infinite number of options. Remain, however, only had one version.

As for achievement of Brino followed by rejoin plan there are years, if not decades, before any party would pursue such policy.

It took 40 plus years to get a second referendum. So if hindsight is anything to go by it may be 2050 before referendum number three happens?

After all 'we held all the cards...'

Easiest deal in history
They need us more than we need them
German car-makers and Italian Prosecco growers

etc.

Presenting a version of leave is not easy as there are almost an infinite number of options.
There have been over three and a half years to settle on one that will actually be carried out ....
but the pro Brexit folks cannot agree among themselves
even while the clock is ticking
which does not bode well for 31 December 2020

therefore the BrINO followed ReJoin
is the only version of Brexit which will definitely work
and should be pursued actively by all parties

There have been over three and a half years to settle on one that will actually be carried out

Not quite. Article 50 prevents discussion on trade deals until after UK left the EU. So even at the time of the referendum it was unknown what direction trade deals would take.

Article 50 prevents discussion on trade deals until after UK left the EU. So even at the time of the referendum it was unknown what direction trade deals would take.
Absolute and utter bollocks
NOTHING stopped the UK government from formulating a thought through plan before invoking or during the transition period.

Not do fly back to your tax dodging life in the far east and leave us in peace, there's a good boy.

Well, good to know that this, that and the other wasn't your version of Brexit Mystery. Unless you were one of the negotiating team, your opinion is no better than 17 million odd others.

Brino is actually pretty sensible because it's as near to a 'Do Nothing' option, while Johnson runs around willy waving, but we get on with life, trade etc. pretty much as before although being rule takers. Even being rule takers may not be too bad, because after 2010 Tory Governments opted out of EU decision making.

Absolute and utter bollocks
NOTHING stopped the UK government from formulating a thought through plan before invoking or during the transition period

The results of the 2017 election forced the government and the opposition to invoke once the Miller case judgement was concluded. After they were both voted in on the manifesto of delivering the referendum result.

Transition period has only started?

LQ - you beat me to it, I was going to say we could have had a plan ready for the direction we would like to go in, the trade deals we'd like to see and the ones which didn't matter.

So someone with an ounce of sense would have seen that Euratom mattered and not stuck it onto A50. No good blaming May either, because a) Johnson didn't step up to the mark in 2016 and b) at the time of the October 2016 Tory Conference, they couldn't get enough of her.

Who forced the 2017 election? There was absolutely no reason not to have been working up a plan before that - one preferably that the country could have got behind. Cameron could and should have worked up proposals, but never mind him now, politically he is history, and is making shed loads of money, millions more than the rest of us ever will.

One week on from leaving, sort of, and the country is still as completely divided, with if anything the ex Remainers being even more determined.