For those of us quietly sad about leaving the EU.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

I'm not making a song and dance about it. I'm not falling out with anyone over it. I dont want to debate it. I'm just sad about it.

And that's ok.

Anyone else with me?

However, as your not interested in any meaningful dialogue and continue with smart arse posts, little point in responding to you in future

Says a poster who on another thread said imprisonment for leave supporters sounds good! It costs the UK about £37K per year per prisoner. Multiply that by 17.4 million equates to almost the same as the UK’s GDP.

So how long do you think it will take before we feel the benefits then Mystery?

The whole business has undermined my faith in my country and in human nature generally. I am very sad that our fellow citizens chose to do this to us

I feel the same. And so so angry.

Fuck it, I'll be a Remainer/Rejoiner until I die

Me too! ✊

I think a certain poster on this thread is demonstrating why his ex wife feels the need to live in a different country from him.

Still, some men do get their kicks by arguing with a bunch of women. Bless them.

There's no point talking about re-joining. Except in the context of a possible Scottish Indyref. Any possible English and Welsh re-join is so far down the road.

So how long do you think it will take before we feel the benefits then Mystery?

A change of strategy needs to be given sufficient time to take effect. A minimum of 10 or 15 years before the effects of new trade deals begin to show through.

If after that time the remain forecast of a GDP shrinking by 5% has actually happened then a rethink may be necessary. However, I think by then EU will have begun to break up. After all which countries are queuing up to take UK’s place as the third largest donor in return for a huge trade deficit? New applicants, such as Macedonia and Albania, are more likely to be net takers than net givers to the EU.

I feel very sad too. About rights and freedoms being taken away from me and my DCs (and everyone who voted Remain) against our will.

Also sad about what’s happened to this country. Out canvassing for the election, I met lots of lovely, reflective, civil people of all ages. Anecdotal I know, but the only angry, abusive ones were probably in their 60s. They didn’t want to listen. I was shocked at how offensive they felt entitled to be, to a small, polite woman on their doorstep.

Sigh... It’s a very long road back to a happier society. Leaving on Friday won’t help towards this.

What have we done?

And if a rethink is necessary, what could that involve?

I am assuming many Leave voters, especially those who live in areas where people are struggling, didn’t think that they were voting for something that could make their lives worse for 15 years. And I am not saying they are thick or stupid, I am just assuming their hopes were raised by the Leave campaign without having the reality of short/long term Brexit spelled out to them.

GDP had already shrunk by a cumulative 4 percent since the referendum.

They don't need countries to queue up to be net contributors because the UKs net contribution only made up 5 percent of the entire EU budget. That's before we took off the costs of our MEPs, commissioners and civil servants secondedto the commission.

The EU was supposed to start breaking up after the leave vote. Hasn't happened yet

I think it's worth continuing to push the rejoin message, even if it does take many years to happen. I think we'll be back in within the next 15 years.

This thread is fro people in mourning isn't it
. Let's stop engaging with the leavers who are rejoicing

Says a “I know better” remain supporter who has continually forecast that Brexit will be a failure?

To be fair, most people know better than Mystery. He didnt even know that people elected MEPs until I told him last year.😂😂😂

I agree that most leavers in poorer regions didn't bank on things getting worse for at least the next 15 years. 15 years feels like a lifetime. Feel so flat and sad today, wonder how long it will take for it to become a 'normal' feeling .

I'd like to think we can rejoin one day, memory. The EU won't close the doors.
Macron's letter to the UK was, I thought, very measured.
And Guy Verhofstadt (who can be a bit outspoken) was also gracious on Twitter yesterday.

We will look after your star & work to ensure the EU is a project you'll want to be a part of again soon!

twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1223508003875323904

He also tweeted this in German and I've put it into Translate.

#Brexit is still a terrible thought for me. I just can't get used to it. What we can do on the part of the EU so that the British find their way back into the European family

twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1223586076993912832

Compare that attitude to Leavers burning EU flags on Friday night.
Very sad.

There have been a lot of very gracious comments from EU members who hope we'll come back, which I find comforting. I liked the way Macron acknowledged the many British people who didn't want to leave. I would hate to think in the eyes of the EU we were all lumped in with the flag burners (I realise not all Leave voters have behaved like that, but I'm thinking of what the headline images will be).

GDP had already shrunk by a cumulative 4 percent since the referendum

Due to a Brexit paralysis. Remember the simple logic:

Uncertainty = Risk

Risk = Reduced investment

Reduced Investment = slower growth

They don't need countries to queue up to be net contributors because the UKs net contribution only made up 5 percent of the entire EU budget

So If every member is a net taker, where EU get money from to give to others?

If other non EU countries think that the terms UK had with the EU were good why haven’t they volunteered or applied to take UK’a place in the EU on the exact same numbers?

The EU was supposed to start breaking up after the leave vote. Hasn't happened yet

Plenty time for that to happen. Rumblings in France for a Frexit, but Macron has said there will not be a referendum on EU membership. However, that doesn’t prove that French voters don’t want a referendum.

Scotland wants a referendum, but Boris has said no. Wrongly in my view as the material change caveat happened 11pm 31 Jan 2020.

Imagine that many EU members will be watching closely to see if UK is better off after leaving the EU. If Brexit proves to be a success very possible that other countries will reconsider their position.

I think it's worth continuing to push the rejoin message, even if it does take many years to happen. I think we'll be back in within the next 15 years

But will other EU members accept UK application? According to some posters the UK has held the EU back?

I think I'm a little bit in love with Guy Verhofstadt.

It's the it saying something about the EU that they can acknowledge that many many people wanted to remain and feel sad and unrepresented in this country today.

Whilst our government and many leavers want us to stfu, go away, put up with it all and not complain.

I'm hoping we find our way back soon and in the meantime I'm signing up to ask for individual associate membership of the EU.

I was once happy to describe myself as British. Now I'm ashamed of this country and instead consider myself Czech first, European second.

Well said, Leigh.

It's the it saying something about the EU that they can acknowledge that many many people wanted to remain and feel sad and unrepresented in this country today.

Whilst our government and many leavers want us to stfu, go away, put up with it all and not complain

Yep

But the prediction that the economy would be smaller following a leave vote was correct. Any form of leave would have brought about uncertainty, even if we had left in June 2018. There was no "brexit paralysis" until june 2019.

There are another 9 net contributors and 5 whose contribution is neutral. Most of the net recipients receive very small amounts.

The problems in France are nothing to do with the EU.

Your point regarding the UK's position is nonsensical. All other countries have agreements which benefit them, that they have negotiated. Why would they want the one that was bespoke to the UKs needs?

Just watched Dominic Raab on the news. Our government is going to make a shambles of this.

Dione that is partly the reason I voted Remain, I couldn't see how our government would be able to sort out Brexit. Certainly haven't filled me with confidence so far