For those of us quietly sad about leaving the EU.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

I'm not making a song and dance about it. I'm not falling out with anyone over it. I dont want to debate it. I'm just sad about it.

And that's ok.

Anyone else with me?

Deadsouls

Mysterytrip lives and works in the Far East / Down Under.
He gloats about paying his NI so he can retire back in the UK
He has been very bored in his Dutch hotel over the last few days so has been derailing every thread he can find.
Ignore him.

@deadsoils

Yes.. I live and work outside the UK. I retain healthcare rights by paying my own National Insurance

Nothing is clear apart from the fact that we will either exit with a deal on 31Dec this year or go WTO.

OK, we are gone, but it really would be nice to clarify what the ups and downsides are for many who are a bit worried about the impact of UK potentially being a Third Country.

But Britain has to decide by 1 July whether to go it alone or ask for another extension if Trade and other deals have not materialised by then according the the WA.

Interesting times ahead. I hope it all works out.

I don't understand why some PPs are saying that the older generation (those who lived through the war) were glad to join with Europe, when so many of those who voted Remain have often blamed the elderly for voting Leave.
It's the generation after them that have never seen a war and have lived through the longest period of peacetime in Europe, partly because of the EU and it s predecessors that have done it. My MiL was born during the war and she is nearly 80. She voted emain, as did most of her peers. The post war generation are the ones being blamed for Brexit. Those who go on about how the French should be grateful for their dad fighting in Normandy- when I'd bet if we had been occupied by Germany during the War, the now Brexiteers would be the first ones enthusiastically goosestepping and handing their neighbours over to the Nazi's.

Oh and that means UK has FIVE months to decide to ask for an extension or lead us into the abyss of a No Deal. Just saying.

"The terms of the Withdrawal Agreement allow the UK–EU Joint Committee to extend the transition period by up to two years, but it must sign off on the length of any extension before 1 July 2020. EU lawyers say that once that window is missed, EU law makes it very difficult to agree to any extension."

Paragraph 3, for those interested...

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

@ListeningQuietly

Aha...thanks for the heads up.

Not to worry, I only wanted to get an answer re: people who live in EU member states and may be longer entitled to automatic residence and reciprocal healthcare in their host country.

I am so incredibly bored of this inaccurate stereotype that the ‘older generation’ went through the War. That was their parents. My mother is 75 and she was born in 1944. Her early memories are of post-War rationing. She was a teenager and 20something in the Swinging 60s. That is the generation that supports Brexit - the baby boomers. Probably the most selfish generation ever to have lived.

(My mother does not support Brexit thankfully because she is not a hateful selfish ignorant bigot. But there are many in her age cohort who are).

Interestingly my mum has a friend who is 97, is a linguist and worked at Bletchley Park. She voted to leave. She thought it was better for the UK but hasn't really articulated why although she said the £350 million claims for the NHS were clearly rubbish.

My father, who was 93 in 2016 and fought in WW2, would have voted to leave too. But he took the view we'd joined a common market, and didn't want the political union. He was too ill to vote and died three weeks later, but I don't think he would have been in favour of leaving the Single Market and CU.

Well said @invisbleoldwoman.

The whole business has undermined my faith in my country and in human nature generally. I am very sad that our fellow citizens chose to do this to us.

Ello,

My parents and FiL are that crucial 5-10 years older than your mother - and are ardent Remainers, reporting that many of their friends think the same.

However, tbh, Remain / Leave does seem to be 'tribal' rather than generational in some sense - if my FB is anything to go by, I have vanishingly few Leave voters as friends, while my DS's friends are Remainers to a young man / woman. Equally, I imagine that there are those who have vanishingly few Remain voters amongst their friends, meaning that argument by anecdote / friendship circle is likely to give a false picture.

My dad was 94 when he voted remain and he fought in WW2 as a 'desert rat'
Not all ' older people' are leavers!
( a lot of baby boomers are leavers but thats only because I know a few ! I'm sure many are not) You can't generalise really.

Yes - my parents were of the actual wartime generation (DF was also a 'desert rat') and I've no doubt they'd have been firm remainers if they'd still been alive. These were the people who knew the horrors wreaked by nationalism and a divided Europe.

Weird, one of mine was a desert rat as well.

Sad for my son and trying not to be angry with my mother. Sickened by gloaters and worried for the vulnerable of whom there will be more. Have avoided watching or reading the news for weeks now.

@pointythings

Yes, that sign is vile. However, the police are investigating. I think it was put on a fire door at the entrance to the flats. No way would anyone put it on their own door, racists are cowards.

It was actually Norwich not London

Here's some detail...

www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/racist-poster-put-up-in-norwich-tower-block-1-6494242

The whole ' D day dodger' thing really winds me up! My poor Dad fighting in Scilly I believe when D day took place . so to be told ' you dodged D day ' was a bit of a blow to them all. They will still doing their bit and had also been in North Africa in terrible conditions. Still vital to the war efforts.
Anyway dad was worried that leaving the EU would see the break up of the U.K. and he liked the Scots ( because they had fought together in said war)

Of course it was a terrible thing to say at the time. My grandpa wore it with pride though.

Just to reiterate, Five Months until 1 July to either have Trade Agreements in place or apply for an (other) extension.

December 2020 is a smoke screen.

Anyone agree or is it only me!

They are not telling us everything.

Just to reiterate, Five Months until 1 July to either have Trade Agreements in place or apply for an (other) extension.

Doesn't the WA make an extension illegal now? What's Johnson going to do, overturn that bit, ask for an extension and hope no one notices (genuinely wondering)?

raskolnikova

It is a hidden thing, but UK has to decide before 1 July this year to either ask for another extension or continue on and probably go it alone under WTO..

Many think we have until 31 Dec this year but I don't think so.

See paragraph 3 here.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period

My German husband and I are very sad. I couldn't bear to watch Farage and his cronies wave their flags, so crass. I really hope that my pessimism, about what happens to us now, is proven wrong and leaving the EU turns out to be a raging success.

Somehow with our current government I can't see that happening - I believe they are rather too obsessed with their own image to act in the interests of the British people.

Anyway ... I am no longer a Remainer, I am now a Rejoiner.

@TheMemoryLingers

ditto

ElloBrian neither of my parents voted to leave. Yesterday would’ve been my Mum’s 73rd birthday- she would’ve been heartbroken. My Dad is heartbroken- mostly at losing my Mum, but also at leaving the European Union.

They were the least selfish couple I know- involved in loads of community stuff and extremely fair minded. Most of their friends were very similar.

I’m so sad too OP. Such a stitch up. I’m also angry as hell and worried about the future. We move forward now but in my heart of hearts I will never forget or forgive those that helped this happen.