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For those of us quietly sad about leaving the EU.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 30/01/2020 23:42

I'm not making a song and dance about it. I'm not falling out with anyone over it. I dont want to debate it. I'm just sad about it.

And that's ok.

Anyone else with me?

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TheMemoryLingers · 01/02/2020 13:46

I was just reading Emmanuel Macron's open letter which I thought was touching and well-worded.

TheMemoryLingers · 01/02/2020 13:48

... I think he's spot on here:

The rejection of a Europe which political leaders, in the UK and elsewhere, have too often blamed for all evils, to avoid having to deal with their own failures

MysteryTripAgain · 01/02/2020 13:50

This is all on leavers

Would be more accurate to say

This is all on government. Voters are not responsible for implementing the result. That’s the government’s task.

If voters think government is doing a bad job they can be vote them out in next election.

MsTSwift · 01/02/2020 13:52

That’s the issue with Brexit. It’s not like a government you can vote out after their term in office a decision has been made to leave which we are now stuck with possibly for generations .

MysteryTripAgain · 01/02/2020 14:22

People can vote for parties who campaign to rejoin. Article 49 was developed for rejoin.

Funkycats · 01/02/2020 14:27

They can. And that's why it's useful to have these threads.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/02/2020 14:31

You can leave the UK any time you wish

Is that the first time that phrase has been used by someone who's not an enormous racist? Or is it, you know, not?

midgebabe · 01/02/2020 14:33

Hasn't leaving the EU made it much harder for anyone to leave when and how they want?

MysteryTripAgain · 01/02/2020 15:10

Hasn't leaving the EU made it much harder for anyone to leave when and how they want?

No. UK is one of the most accepted passports around. Fifth in the rankings I remember..

Deadsouls · 01/02/2020 15:16

I've heard the 'if you don't like it, you can leave' or variations of this a few times.

'If you like the EU so much why don't you live there?'

It's a bit weak as an argument for Brexit, or against remainers.

I wonder what the ppl who wheel out this tired argument think of people who like the EU enough that they live there, but also voted to leave the EU?

Suddenly the argument changes and becomes, 'oh you can still like Europe and enjoy it, and not like the EU', which rather contradicts the whole, 'if you like it so much...blah blah blah' thing.

I have myself been told to move to Europe. If I could, I probably would. Right now...it's not possible

Maybe all the people who voted leave, living in EU member states ought to come back to the UK, you know if they dislike the EU so much.

midgebabe · 01/02/2020 15:19

So there will be no changes to our ability to live in Europe? Is that what you think? Or does making it harder to live in Europe somehow not matter ?

You can't throw me out to Canada, America, Australia, New Zealand, or really most of the rest of the world, I won't get enough points and /or don't have enough money ...or will you pay the remainders to leave?

ErrolTheDragon · 01/02/2020 15:20

If voters think government is doing a bad job they can be vote them out in next election.

Only if there's an opposition which might do better, which unfortunately we don't have at the moment and seem unlikely to have for a considerable period of time.

MysteryTripAgain · 01/02/2020 15:22

Maybe all the people who voted leave, living in EU member states ought to come back to the UK, you know if they dislike the EU so much

I think it was dislike of UK being in the EU rather than dislike of the EU.

MrsTerryPratchett · 01/02/2020 15:25

No. UK is one of the most accepted passports around. Fifth in the rankings I remember..

Firstly, it's slipping down the rankings. For some reason.

Second, a passport doesn't mean you can live or work somewhere. As an immigrant, you'd think you'd be aware of that. So people can leave on holiday, but they can't actually leave.

Third, you know this so why are you pretending not to?

AuldAlliance · 01/02/2020 15:25

If the individual instructing you to leave the UK cannot distinguish between

(a) owning a passport and therefore being able to travel over borders
and
(b) the right to work and live in another country

perhaps that is an indication of how much attention to pay them.

Deadsouls · 01/02/2020 15:31

@MysteryTripAgain

I think it was dislike of UK being in the EU rather than dislike of the EU.

I can't speak to their motives. But possibly, yes they disliked the idea of the UK being a part of the EU, rather than EU itself, which raises more questions.
So they like Europe, they tolerate the EU, they enjoy the benefits of their host country, but dislike UK being part of the EU.

But if they are not actually living in the UK and don't plan on doing so, how does the UK being part of the EU affect their lives?
Don't they feel the same about their host country being part of the EU? Or doesn't matter to them? What about if they apply to become citizens of their host country?

I do feel they ought to return to enjoy their victory of UK not being part of the EU. Well they might end up having to.

Deadsouls · 01/02/2020 15:39

Further those ppl who voted to leave despite living/working/retired in EU member states enjoyed the benefits of freedom of movement and reciprocal health care. So surely in voting for the UK to leave the EU have made the cessation of those benefits more likely.

MysteryTripAgain · 01/02/2020 15:40

@Deadsouls

Many from the UK take holidays in EU
Countries. Spain, Paris, Black Sea, etc., are popular destinations.

cologne4711 · 01/02/2020 15:43

Feels like a class war to me. Against the educated middle class. What went wrong with our education system

I think the WW2 films had a lot to do with it. Constantly harping on about the plucky Brits saving those Frenchies' bottoms who couldn't be bothered to fight and ran away to Vichy, and beating those evil Nazi thugs.

But then the Germans did better than we did. How could that be?

Resentment seeds sown.

Who probably voted to leave more than any other age group? 60-80 year olds. Right demographic for my theory.

Personally the thing I find most difficult to stomach is that our so-called ally made us pay back the help we received from them in WW2 and let our erstwhile enemies off because they were afraid they'd turn Communist. Special relationship? Yeah right. And hence why I'd take the EU over the US any day of the week.

MysteryTripAgain · 01/02/2020 15:45

So surely in voting for the UK to leave the EU have made the cessation of those benefits more likely

I am a UK citizen and pay my own National Insurance to retain entitlement to State Pension and Healthcare. Never ever been challenged when I go to doctors for annual checks

TheElementsOdeToJoy · 01/02/2020 15:49

^^

invisibleoldwoman · 01/02/2020 15:55

I'm sad too. The world that has formed most of my adult life no longer exists. I have discovered that things I was proud about being British are an illusion.

pointythings · 01/02/2020 16:14

Roussette that sign is sickening. Fortunately most of the Leavers I know would also find that sign sickening.

If I lived there, I'd be appending a Dutch translation just to piss the owner of the flat off.

IlikebigMutts · 01/02/2020 16:37

@Torchlightt WC remained here Smile I'm not sure if I've understood what you mean, do you think more WC people have voted leave ? My husband is definitely WC too and works for the NHS he is a staunch remainer. I'm interested, I'm not in a working class area now and most people round here are definitely MC and there is almost universal support for Brexit.

Deadsouls · 01/02/2020 16:45

@MysteryTripAgain

Do you live abroad? I'm referring to people who live/work/have retired to an EU member country? Whether they will have the right to remain and be able to access healthcare.