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Brexit

For those of us quietly sad about leaving the EU.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 30/01/2020 23:42

I'm not making a song and dance about it. I'm not falling out with anyone over it. I dont want to debate it. I'm just sad about it.

And that's ok.

Anyone else with me?

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Sunshinegirl82 · 01/02/2020 11:22

I probably could leave and I've give it serious thought although it would leave my 70+ year old widowed mum heartbroken which I would find difficult.

How do you emigrate if you're older and work in a role which isn't particularly in demand abroad? Say shop work? Or cleaning? What if you are unable to work and are reliant on benefits? Are other countries queuing up to support British people who don't agree with Brexit? Are those people not allowed a say then? Because they can't leave?

TheElementsOdeToJoy · 01/02/2020 11:23

For God’s sake stop providing the GF with wank-fodder for their escalating fetish, they’ve been flitting from thread to thread with increasing urgency seeking greater and greater stimulation, like a sex addict.

Songsofexperience · 01/02/2020 11:31

Yep elements, there's a few universal truths in this world such as don't feed the troll and don't eat yellow snow.

Torchlightt · 01/02/2020 11:31

Feels like a class war to me. Against the educated middle class. What went wrong with our education system?

Songsofexperience · 01/02/2020 11:31

Gove?

Torchlightt · 01/02/2020 11:33

Secondary moderns?

FaFoutis · 01/02/2020 11:34

What went wrong with our education system?
The problem is the education system of the past, not the present.

Torchlightt · 01/02/2020 11:39

Exactly. Nobody was too bothered about educating the less bright. Hence the grammar / secondary modern system. Most working class kids went to secondary moderns, which focused on practical skills.

Torchlightt · 01/02/2020 11:44

It's come back to bite us. And I think there's a big dose of getting one over on the middle classes. All the emphasis on "winning" by people who rarely get the chance to "win".
The UK class system is toxic. It's made us vulnerable.

Subtractingcalories · 01/02/2020 11:45

Feels like a class war to me. Against the educated middle class. What went wrong with our education system?

I agree that it feels like that sometimes, but I think it's more complex than that. I have some very well educated, well off, fairly right wing family members who live in London and Devin/Cornwall who are doctors, architects, senior engineers, ex naval officers, solicitors, and they all voted Leave. I'm genuinely bewildered by it tbh.

I agree on the education point though; was the "the way the EU works" ever included in the UK teaching curriculum? Not sure?

To be fair to Theresa May, she did at one point (years ago) try and have EU legislation discussed on the floor of the H of C so that the EU legislative process would be more understandable to MPs, but she was voted down.

Murrfect · 01/02/2020 11:53

😓

TheMemoryLingers · 01/02/2020 11:53

But as soon as I can I'll be going to Scotland

I too am seriously considering this option if Scotland gain independence and look likely to rejoin the EU.

CobblersandHogwash · 01/02/2020 12:26

Yes. I'd go to Scotland too. I hope they get their independence and EU membership, I really do.

I've left the UK now and hope to be able to stay in the EU and eventually get citizenship of my chosen country.

I wonder if there'll be a brain drain from England.....

wheniwonder · 01/02/2020 12:32

yep really quite sad

AuldAlliance · 01/02/2020 12:34

I am sad.
I moved to France 25 years ago and work in a French university, teaching students to love the English language and the literature of the British Isles. I've sent hundreds of students to UK universities on Erasmus exchanges and seen them return enthusiastic and admiring of the UK and keen, when they become English teachers, to pass that on to their French pupils.
I've seen hundreds of UK students come to France and fall in love with the country, returning enriched to the UK.

Many of my colleagues chose to specialise in British history, culture, language, literature, etc., because they felt deep admiration for them and for the UK. They are bewildered and profoundly shocked at the retrograde choice expressed by a country they saw as open, vibrant and often at the forefront of change in music, film and writing and which they no longer recognise. "Going against the tide of history" is a phrase I've heard several times.

EU colleagues in UK universities feel unwelcome and hurt.

Enjoying the freedom to live elsewhere in the EU doesn't make you less British, no more than having a child makes you love your husband or previous children less.

It does make you more tolerant, more open-minded, more co-operative, more appreciative of how, underneath our differences, we all really want the same things for our families.

Those are values we'll need in the coming years to deal with the hugely complex issues facing us and our children. A proportion of the UK population has turned its back on them and trampled them underfoot. The things they think they will gain (sovereignty, freedom, independence, two fingers stuck up at an Establishment that has merely reinforced its power and wealth) are unlikely to satisfy them or to compensate for what has and will, in the coming months and years, be lost.

"Sad" doesn't come anywhere close, TBH.

TildaKauskumholm · 01/02/2020 12:56

I'm sorry that people are feeling sad, but I don't understand why some PPs are saying that the older generation (those who lived through the war) were glad to join with Europe, when so many of those who voted Remain have often blamed the elderly for voting Leave.... are you implying it's the same generation?

FaFoutis · 01/02/2020 12:58

it's not the same generation.

TheMemoryLingers · 01/02/2020 13:02

TildaKauskumholm The Common Market was seen as very much the way forward in the 1970s.

Besidesthepoint · 01/02/2020 13:02

I'm sad. I'm sad that we look as if we're sticking two fingers up to our neighbours in Europe.

Although some behaviour towards the EU has been very distasteful, most EU citizens in my friendship group fully realise that the UK is very divided on this.

BigPinkFlower · 01/02/2020 13:08

I posted this on another thread but my local Barnados charity shop is festooned with union jacks- apparently to celebrate Brexit.

They are in a remain area. Why would a charity think this is acceptable? They seemed surprised when I questioned it.

I think sensitivity is needed on both sides. I am not wearing my Im still European t-shirt or EU beret today!

TheMemoryLingers · 01/02/2020 13:11

They are in a remain area. Why would a charity think this is acceptable?

I'm in a leave area and I wouldn't be impressed if local shops did this. The Brexiteers have got what they wanted - no need to gloat.

Roussette · 01/02/2020 13:31

I think any charity shop displaying Brexit union jacks is not on. Surely they're meant to be apolitical?

Sooverthemill · 01/02/2020 13:32

I always assume nationalist right wing views when I see union flags or the English flag. Gross.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 01/02/2020 13:32

Well, here we are on the first day of a new era and I await with great interest to see what the Brexiters are going to do with it.

And if they fuck it up then they'll blame us.

But no. This is all on leavers. I'm not an ex remainer, I'm a current one and I will be until I die.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 01/02/2020 13:38

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