Westministenders: Canada Plus and the Transition Phase

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As we approach the 31st January, we slowly tick towards exit and transition.

Things are not yet signed off though the No Deal planning has quietly been stood down with no press release and the government have said they won't talk about trade deals post 31st Jan because the public are bored of them and don't understand.

The new EU president has said that the UK doesn't have time to make a full deal with the EU before 31st December with a deadline which isn't flexible.

We still have no idea what the government plans are. We still have many EU citizens feeling very vulnerable.

Perhaps we should start talking about this rather than Royals for a couple of weeks...

I also think that there is a fighting chance that Johnson's/Cumming's cunning plan to summarily execute underachieving cabinet ministers is part of a plot to increase BJ's room for manoeuvre.

I think he is popular enough at the moment that he could easily depose even senior ministers for incompetence, and voters would side with him not them. You never know: it might actually lead to a semi-competent cabinet, if terminally clueless ministers like Patel, Raab and Truss (who like to look pretty on the telly) get the boot, and quiet but reasonably competent ministers like Julian Smith remain in post.

But the Brexiters have spent three and a half years not being able to tell us what they want for Brexit.

OK so we know that they wanted Big Ben to Bong, and that won't now happen.

But the Brexiters have spent three and a half years not being able to tell us what they want for Brexit.

In which case, just close the case. Force the fuckers to articulate individual specifics about what "hasn't been done."

I assume a lot of posters here have been parents and dealt with children ?It seems there are some transferable skills ....

It's not that they don't KNOW what Brexit means, it's that they (99.9% of them) don't CARE what Brexit means.

They just care about winning. Well, tell em they've won: on 1/2/20 Brexit is done and dusted.

Because then higher food prices and job losses and no pet passports and extortionate holiday insurance in 2021 are not Brexit. They are just government policy. It would be fun to see the govt defending those things this time next year without the cover of Brexit.

Actually I think that they won't want to defend those things, and that the current bout of willy-waving will end in erectile (electile?) dysfunction and a quiet climb down.

Yes, higher prices etc. were just going to happen anyway, so we all have to just accept it, in a fatalistic fashion.

You have to wonder about some people - don't they have any aspirations for the future?

From BCF's post : Or of course, they could just blame Labour
- I saw a Tory do this on a recent MN thread, claiming 10 years of Tory austerity and any future cuts are all because of the previous Labour govt

During the election campaign I heard Laura Kuenssberg and Jeremy Vine separately refer to 'Labour's financial crisis'. Well paid, top BBC journalists. Yep - not the global financial crisis (GFC) as it is known in financial circles. But Labour's financial crisis as it is evidently known in political circles.

Whoever is doing the Conservative briefings is doing a stellar job.

Labour hasn't been in government for a decade. If the Conservative governments are unable to take credit for policy outcomes by now then they must surely be incompetent.

Just going to leave this link here to help any passers who don't know. Sigh.

This has been big on the US among the alt right:

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/index.html

As has bern pointed out time and again, there is a connection between nationalism and anti feminists.
Not a coincidence this is being given media attention (obviously in the Fail)

Sorry for typos

I have two daughters. Lord knows what the world will be like when they're grown up but I am HAMMERING into both their heads that they will need to be self sufficient....

But there is a thread about BBC bias, and they are a bunch of lefties. Apparently, but since only two people have posted, it's not exactly a big sample.

I have two daughters. Lord knows what the world will be like when they're grown up but I am HAMMERING into both their heads that they will need to be self sufficient..

meanwhile the BBC is promoting reporting on the "Tradwife" craze that's sweeping the world.

Women: Know your place !!!!!

but maybe with the new 19th century Tory party, Brexit will become like the crazy relative shut in the attic that no-one mentions

It's already happening. Whenever my pro-Brexit family start talking about it, I simply reply "I hope you are right" and change the subject. I know I am not the only one doing this.

Getting pissed off about something we can no longer influence (for better or for worse) is counter-productive.

ref BBC - I just think that kind of loose use of language is slack. Kuenssberg and Vine should do better than that.

Funnily enough Harriet Harman is on BBC R4 World At One just now having phoned them to say that this is a dangerous moment for the broadcaster.

The BBC is trying to be a Tradwife to the new govt (lighthearted comment-.

*meanwhile the BBC is promoting reporting on the "Tradwife" craze that's sweeping the world.

Women: Know your place !!!!!*

The beeb can fuck right off

I have a mind to go burn my bra very soon.

Funnily enough Harriet Harman is on BBC R4 World At One just now having phoned them to say that this is a dangerous moment for the broadcaster.

Harriet Harman (along with John Prescott) is that class of politician that was fucking lethal in opposition, and a wet sponge in power. I lost any interest in anything she ever had to say again when in government she tried to blather on about "the court of public opinion", suggesting that populism trumped law and order. She is a dangerous woman, and - for one - am glad she is nowhere near the levers of power. Which considering the shower of shits that have followed, is saying something.

Anything she ever says again can be safely ignored as far as I am concerned.

The beeb can fuck right off

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wait until it realises it's done for and tries appealing for help rearrange these words to make a sentence: Now Bed Lie It You In
Have Made Your

Harold McMillan was the first Uk PM to ask to join the then Common Market

His request was vetoed by the French
.... "De Gaulle was right" has probably become a very popular saying at the Berlaymont

Wow! Strong stuff DG

I rather enjoyed the fact Harriet Harman phoned a news organisation which is on constant manoeuvres to wrangle its future and licence fee so that she could warn it of danger afoot. The BBC really should know that! If not then its reporters and management are worse than I feared.

In truth Harman probs just wanted to be on the radio.

Yep, long before Brexit, I opposed the existence of a state broadcaster, because I could see no need for it and much potential danger from it

That's not even going into the unfairness of a TV flat tax, where a billionaire pays the same as someone on benefits
and which brings low income women disproportionately before the courts and even to jail if they can't pay

Harold McMillan was the first Uk PM to ask to join the then Common Market

The piece with Heseltine covers that. MH admires HM for acknowledging Britains loss of empire with vision and realising our future lay in Europe. However I can't really disagree that CdG was also farsighted, and possibly knew the Brits better then they knew themselves.

There's a blue plaque to CdG around the corner from Baker St. For collectors of trifles in a non-Pratchett sense

WTF
Why would any woman go for this ?
I'll bet they are just as likely to be dumped by their husbands for a newer model, but will have more problems coming out of the 1950s to cope with paid employment in the 2020s

"The belief behind the movement is that wives should not work,
and rather spend their days cooking, cleaning, wearing modest and feminine dress,
and practice traditional etiquette, being submissive to their husbands and 'always put them first'.

Taking it a step further, some believe in the 'Home Front' life, cooking recipes from World War II rationing recipes and even replacing toilets with outside loos."

"Wearing modest and Feminine"" dress"
Wait for us to be sold a burka, which is not a burka.....

Fucking scary....

Why would any woman go for this ?

Who says they are ? Could be the BBC "making shit up" (to quote Rhod Gilbert). Or selectively reporting. Or over reporting.

Either way, to me (blokey type) it seems a clear and undisguised attempt to put in place another framework as an excuse to reverse and remove all the gains made by women in the past century. And it's hardly like they are starting at a 50/50 split anyway. I'd say womens rights are 30/70 to mens ? Which sounds bad, but I'd say they were 35/65 in 2,000.

In my perfect life, I'd liked to have had daughters (like my late DM ) . Thank god we don't always get what we want.

In that brave new world l'd rather mine come across as witches than meek little lambs.
I admit to feeling exceedingly angry right now.