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Brexit Arms - Out with the old and in with the new

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time4chocolate · 20/12/2019 12:16

It’s time again for another Brexit Arms thread to see us into Christmas and beyond.

Well what a week it’s been!!

Boris has now completed his first week and he’s been busy. New conservatives have been sworn in, the Queens Speech yesterday shows promise (aware that the proof of the (Xmas) pudding is in the eating) and Boris’ Deal is going to be voted on today with the results being around 3pm I believe.

Meanwhile, on the other side all four wheels have definitely fallen off the red bus and were very nearly joined by a garden gate and a car door. Oh dear!!

Anyway, I have added a few more Christmas decs to the pub and popped the fairy back on the tree (it took a nasty tumble)

We are now good to go.
Cheers all 🍷🍷

Ps. If anyone wants to volunteer for outside catering that would be👍🏻

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TheWorldturnedUpsideDown · 23/12/2019 15:15

I'm not sure re Xmas eve tbh being a great day.

We've never got into a groove for it. The best one was years ago taking dc to little 3 person show of the snow queen in creative arts theatre type place. The road it was on was also olde wolde and cute with a German bakery shop.

We did Disney on ice one-year and that was fun but I thought we would go and peruse Xmas windows, liberty, self ridges etc after only to find them all boarded up and not there 😏.

I feel like we are treading water in some limbo.
Anyway I've booked what I thought was a good idea... CATS. 😻😳😕😏🤔.

😵😵😟😯😒☹️😐.

Then we will try and get frustrated erecting a gingerbread house, even the ones pretty much made for you are a challenge in this house!!

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 23/12/2019 15:17

Not sure where that leaves Rudolf

Santa uses super glue

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 23/12/2019 15:20

theworld

Cats? Gosh i hope its good 🐱

We did a gingerbread bread train once...it was many years ago and I took loads of photos

Youve just got dh looking more and more pissed off In every shot...he loses the magic really quickly

howabout · 23/12/2019 15:28

Hoping Cats is going straight to DVD because I want to buy it and watch it loads. My Gran was a primary teacher and TS Elliott fan so I grew up with the poetry. Never been to the musical as big West End productions are not really my thing and unlike other Lloyd Webber stuff it doesn't often get Am Drammed. Suspect all the things the critics hate about the movie will be the things I like - I could be wrong.

DH is moaning about a lack of biscuits so we may get to gingerbread Mr and Mrs Santa. Houses are somewhat beyond our ambitions but if you just use 2 roof panels you can make a pretty passable tent - DD2 and DD3 are scouters.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 23/12/2019 15:34

how

Sil made a sleigh and reindeer...it was perfect 😫

howabout · 23/12/2019 15:49

I'm far too #ExcitableEdgar to aspire to perfection Rufus Xmas Grin

Only recently realised my arty daughters get it from me - either genetic or a childhood joining in with my slapdash efforts.

DD1 appreciates the instant creations and ideas, DD2 rolls her eyes at my lack of precision and attention to detail, DD3 takes one look at my germ of an idea and then rushes off to show me how to do it properly.

Limer · 23/12/2019 15:54

I did my gingerbread house yesterday - the Aldi pre-made one, they even supply the icing and sweets.

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 23/12/2019 15:55

That’s beautiful limer

DustyDiamond · 23/12/2019 17:21

So my aim is to submit the unit this afternoon and then open the wine.

Hope you managed it 🦆!! 🍷🍷🍷

Just back from town - went to see Star Wars with youngest son 🙌
Dropped half my hotdog on the floor though & tomato sauce on my jeans 🙄🙄

Now need to figure out how much each of the kids owe me for different stuff & how much I owe them for other stuff 😩

Hope the lurgy clears up soon Scary - it's horrid being ill 😷 🤒

Also love how much nicer people are at this time of year - I'm an optimistic person by nature anyway, but Xmas & New Year always buoy me up even more

LOOOVE the gingerbread house Limer!!!

I have zero food in 😳
Just the usual crap in the freezer 😳😳

Going to pop to Aldi tomoz to get some buffet type stuff for Boxing Day & get some fancy biscuits I think (and bread/milk 😳)

We're v lucky here - it's just a big village really, but there's an Asda, Morrison's & Aldi all within 5 min walk of my house

TheWorldturnedUpsideDown · 23/12/2019 17:47

Singing..

'' a hotbed of optimism '' 😂😂😂👌

Perhaps the title for the new arms opening?!

Rufus, even the mention of the gingerbread House caused dh to emit swear words and firmly declare he will be having no part in it, at all.

TheWorldturnedUpsideDown · 23/12/2019 17:47

V nice limer

DuckWillow · 23/12/2019 17:50

Hah! Unit 6 of my course finished and submitted a day early.

Is it too early to open the wine...what with it being a Xmas Eve tomorrow and all?

Cheers all!

SingingLily · 23/12/2019 18:13

Is it too early to open the wine.

According to Mr Lily, the sun is always over the yardarm somewhere in the world, Duck, so go for it! You've earned it.

Very impressed with the house, Limer.

Jealous of your village's choice of shops, Dusty. Ours only has a tardis-type village shop known as the Land That Sell-By Dates Forgot. There are some vintage tins lurking on the shelves. When we first moved here, Mr Lily was very excited because he had been given a 50% off first purchase voucher for the owner's freshly baked pizzas. No chance. While they'd been chatting at the till, I'd poked my head in the kitchen at the back. I'm fairly sure there are alien life forms mutating in there.

bellinisurge · 23/12/2019 19:47

I'm also of the opinion that the sun is over the yardarm. And have deployed that on more than one occasion in my long life.

scaryteacher · 23/12/2019 19:49

The problem howabout is that we had very conventional fan ovens in Belgium, so ds could manage. Here, we are back to range cooking (I have a Stanley, sort of like a Rayburn), and as the turkey is British and fresh this year, and so worthy of respect, I won't be brining it as per Nigella. The last 5 years it has been from Colryut (a wonderful Belgian not quite supermarket), and has been French, fresh, and sub €50 for a 10kg turkey. As it was French, it got brined, and there were no giblets, so faffing about with chicken wings to make a decent gravy was necessary. This year there will be giblets (yay).

I could get a cheaper turkey, but I've been going to that particular butcher on and off since 1986, and if you don't use it, you lose it.

Have done the Tesco run (disappointing, as they don't do ready shredded cabbage and carrot for coleslaw), and I am not going to Waitrose tomorrow, as I like living too much. Another of the differences it will take some getting used to!

Right. have to kick ds to cook dinner as I've done the washing up, and then I have to play hunt the wrapping paper, and some stocking pressies, that I've unpacked but can't think where they are. If all else fails, people get them through the year as an extended Christmas treat!

From the Roger Bootle article in the DT, this struck me:

'The essential economic case for Brexit has still not sunk in among the commentariat. To listen to Remainers bemoaning our looming fate outside the EU, you would think that the union is a zone of stonking economic success. But it isn’t. It is mired in comparative economic failure. And the regulatory regime is one of the factors responsible. What’s more, the EU’s shortcomings are likely to intensify as it moves on to yet closer integration. Even if it means leaving without a trade deal, this is a bloc whose regulatory regime we should be itching to detach ourselves from, not aligning ourselves with.

Over the coming year, the Johnson government will be simultaneously trying to do trade deals with other countries, in particular the US. If it secures such deals but does not reach a trade agreement on tariff-free trade with the EU, then EU producers will suffer massive price competition in the UK market. While the price of goods imported into the UK from the rest of the world will fall, as tariffs on these goods are cut, the price of EU-produced goods imported into the UK will rise as tariffs are imposed. The consequence is that Continental producers of everything from cars to cheeses would be hit very hard. Perceiving this threat ahead of them, they are going to be putting huge pressure on their governments to do a deal with the UK.

All along, Remainers have under-estimated the strength of the Brexit case. Their thinking has been dominated by a perception of British weakness. In reality, the only weak thing about Britain’s position has been her government. Now the election result has transformed the political situation.

Remainers have undergone several shocks over the last few years, starting with the Brexit vote in 2016. I believe that they are soon going to experience another one. The Johnson government is going to succeed in doing trade deals with the EU and several other countries, and without preserving close regulatory alignment with the EU. And, what’s more, the UK economy is going to do exceedingly well. Happy Christmas.'

Or, the words of Monty Python 'Always look on the bright side of life'

FizzAfterSix · 23/12/2019 19:52

@AutumnRose1, I'm sorry you had a friend who behaved like this.
I think if your friend is happy to dump a good friend over a difference of political opinion, they are not much of a friend.
They are probably likely to be unreasonable and unreliable over other issues as well.

XingMing · 23/12/2019 20:26

Hunns is the place for your Christmas poultry Scary, but standing outdoors in a queue to pick it up in the rain is fairly hardcore. Hope you feel much better tomorrow.

I have no prima facie evidence for this theory, but I think the confirmation of the leave mandate in the UK will help ease back the drive to alignment rather than integration; it clearly makes sense to trade with neighbour countries on 'familiar' terms and to enrich your young citizens with the very best opportunities a continent can configure and confect, whether you are a chef or an astro-physicist. It makes sense to share data and intelligence about security threats, and to know who is dodgy, and who to deny entry.No system is ever going to be perfect enough to filter out all the ill-wishers.

SingingLily · 23/12/2019 20:34

Over the coming year, the Johnson government will be simultaneously trying to do trade deals with other countries, in particular the US. If it secures such deals but does not reach a trade agreement on tariff-free trade with the EU, then EU producers will suffer massive price competition in the UK market.

We know there's a race between the US, Australia and New Zealand to be first to sign a free trade deal with the UK. Donald Trump is particularly keen as he sees it as evidence of his success as President and while people can read into that whatever they like, the fact is that a UK/UK deal has overwhelming support in both the Senate and the House of Representatives as well as among the American public.

I'm fairly sure I read recently (but cannot remember where) that there is a plan to negotiate US and EU trade deals simultaneously and sector-by-sector, leveraging both to the UK's best interests. Which is what any responsible government would do.

And before anyone pops in with "What about chlorinated chicken though, eh? Eh?", well anyone who has visited the USA and eaten chicken has already enjoyed this. If you don't want to eat it here, don't buy it. No business ever thrived by paying transport and import costs trying to flog something no one will buy. In any case, for the highest food standards, we can always rely on the EU.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/26/radioactive-food-fukushima-will-heading-uk-eu-plans/

DuckWillow · 23/12/2019 20:50

My objection to chlorinated chicken is less to do with the cleaning process and more to do with the poor farming practices and higher rate of salmonella and campylobacter in the US. They have much higher rates of food poisoning.

Adhering to EU farming and food standards would be better, for us and we ignore the statistics at our peril.

XingMing · 23/12/2019 21:15

duckWillow, spend a little more, and it really isn't much more, to buy free range poultry from local farmers. Their life will be improved, and you will eat better chickens, turkeys and geese with fewer chemicals than any supermarket bird. Honestly. Supermarket poultry has had a poor quality of life.

I know, where I live, farmers rear birds for Xmas, and the local butchers sell them at a marked up price. But locals, like you and I can put our order in during October and November, and then buy a Fortnum and Mason goose (because that's where they are sold) at about half what they're charging in London. You will have to take an umbrella or stand in rain to collect it though.

chomalungma · 23/12/2019 21:18

spend a little more, and it really isn't much more, to buy free range poultry from local farmers. Their life will be improved, and you will eat better chickens, turkeys and geese with fewer chemicals than any supermarket bird. Honestly. Supermarket poultry has had a poor quality of life

And people on low income can just have the cheap US imports with a higher chance of bacteria in them...

yolofish · 23/12/2019 21:21

On a message of peace love and understanding (copyright Mr. E. Costello) I think most of us actually want the same things: for people to be safe, housed, fed and have a job that makes them feel worthwhile and enables them to bring up their families in security.

Peace and love to all.

AutumnRose1 · 23/12/2019 21:32

Or, to put a pop slant on it....

time4chocolate · 23/12/2019 21:39

And people on low income can just have the cheap US imports with a higher chance of bacteria in them...

Just leaving these here seeing as we are talking about cheap, low quality imports:

www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/03/brazil-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk

www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/six-million-less-chickens-slaughtered-weekly-in-eu-after-mercosur-pact/

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chomalungma · 23/12/2019 21:46

Just leaving these here seeing as we are talking about cheap, low quality imports

Well, let's hope the imports have high food standards.
At least we now have control so we can take full control of imports and ensure that the importing countriies have low levels of bacterial contamination.

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