Westminstenders: Penny dropping time

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Johnson already seems to be hinting at protections for workers rights and the environment that he promised are to be dropped.

Along with enshrining Brexit in law to the end of Dec 2020 thus creating another Brexit no deal date. This time without any safety net in parliament.

"won't Johnson be more liberal than he suggested" they cry

About that...

We also referred to England as 'Down South'

'Mary lives Down South'

In the town I once lived in in N Staffs, you went 'Up Town' i.e. to the town centre, regardless of whether you were going up the hill or down. Down to London - which you didn't do very often.

Lots of ‘I thinks’ from Yvette Cooper re running for leadership

On R4 I should have said

I mean, look at the Left - everything is Blair's fault: a narrative that is absolutely illogical. But works.

There is an element of truth in this. Blair and Brown were in power from 1997 -2000, so people ought to have begun to see an undoing of the ravages of Thatcherism. The fact that they didn't has helped to give the current result.

In fact Blair did put a lot more money into e.g, Education - teachers weren't providing stationery etc. out of their own pockets, but that is invisible compared with the lost of major industry.

Then of course, when we heard southerners mocking 'oop north', we would also mock them for their 'ap to Landan' statements.

Nope. My one experience of the arms, the conversation quickly descended into rants about immigrants and far right tropes about alledged incidents involving immigrants in Germany and Sweden. Not stepping foot in there again! It was a while ago so maybe the clientele has improved but I’m always when they claim there’s no racism on that thread.

I think that analysis underestimates how deep the ravages of Thatcherism and the challenges of globalisation, Peregrina.

With hindsight, yes, Blair perhaps should have taxed higher, wooed international business to the North and gone for a massive building of infrastructure - but, mult goodness,?would the electorate have believed a government telling them that, 20 years hence, they'd be grateful?

Blair inherited an electorate still suspicious of Labour, hence the caution.

And the electorate has just rejected a manifesto promising a massive re-modelling of the economic base (which is what 'reinvesting in the North would have been).

But now we have Johnson making noises about investing in the north. Which I will believe when I see it.

Also, this continues to invest 'Blair' with magical powers.

Much like the magical thinking that children have about their parents.

As children, we think our parents are all-powerful and it's a shock when we realise they are all too human.

How we deal with that realisation goes some way to determining how we deal with our own power, or limitations thereof, as adults.

Yes, me too, Peregrina.

Steven Swinford@steven_swinford
Exclusive:

Boris Johnson will give British judges new powers to overturn rulings by ECJ

He will insert a new clause in Brexit bill enabling 'lower courts' to overturn EU case law after Brexit

Move welcomed by Eurosceptics but has led to Cabinet splits

Boris Johnson wants to deliver on his pledge to 'take back control of our laws'

At present Britain will transfer all existing EU case law into British law on Brexit day

Only Supreme Court will be able to reinterpret it. PM wants lower courts to be able to do so

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lower-courts-to-overrule-eu-law-rw28swlrg
Brexit: Lower British courts to overrule EU law

Which laws are we unhappy with? Remember this is the ECJ not the ECHR.

I’m always when they claim there’s no racism on that thread.

Confected bollocks

Please stop misrepresenting posters like this, it's shitty behaviour

But ... there is something interesting about that.

A major issue about 'the North' is that it's an imaginary construct.

We may well be talking about an age demographic, which is geographically located as an adjunct.

So that 'reinvestment' May take some quite interesting forms.

That is sadly as predicted, isn't it, Red?

How absolutely depressing.

He's moving fast.

On the up/down thing my aunt in Liverpool would say we were coming "down" to visit her from the south west. I never got that. Surely you go up to Liverpool from Devon/Cornwall (well anywhere Cheshire and southwards).

I say going "up" to London because I live to the south of it. But if I eg lived in St Albans or Cambridge I would say "down".

I'm soooo not surprised the Tories have already started showing their colours in workers' rights. I said from before the referendum that it was their primary aim in achieving Brexit and it looks like I will be proved right.

Boris Johnson will give British judges new powers to overturn rulings by ECJ

So what happens with a firm who wants to trade with the EU, and therefore will have to abide by their standards? This sounds like another ill-thought out idea of Johnson's in the 'they need us more than we need them mould'. It will be very easy for the EU to say 'abide by our rules or no trade'.

This might of course suit Johnson because he wants to push us into the arms of the USA. It's a pity he can't detach Great Britain and tow it into the mid Atlantic, then it would make more sense.

What are people's opinions on
Cameron reunites the Tory party?

Mine are:

1. The poll tax weakened Thatcher as much as Eurosceptism, or probably more so.
2. Major and Cameron won surprise victories so could do no wrong at first, but things soon turned against them.
3. May could also do no wrong at first, until she botched an election.
4. In the light of the above - give it time and Johnson will have them turn against him. At present he's not yet completed a week, so it's premature to make statements.
5. How is kicking out the moderates 'uniting' a party?

It’s not confected if it’s true, Dusty. Posters were trotting out the old “immigrants = rapists” shite. You may be happy with such views but I am very much not. So I don’t go there anymore. If it’s changed Then great, but I have no interest in it tbh.

“shitty behaviour” is overt racism in my book, but horses for courses and all that.

We need a data protection "adequacy " determination from the EU to do any kind of trading with it which involves handling the personal data of EU citizens - banking, services, online trade etc. Canada now has it. The US doesn't. We start dicking about with data protection law we currently have in place, we cannot get "adequacy". Which makes trade more difficult and expensive.
There is only so much dicking about that we can do.

As a Scot, I can assure the Westministenders that we go down to London It's obvious, innit

And piggy - dh confirms that the expression is "going up the town" ( goin' up the toon ) - going into town.

A lot of what Johnson appears to be doing is grandstanding.He does not need to time limit Brexit - he already had Parliament's approval and he runs the show with his majority. Likewise, giving the courts these powers will not chang much: if you want to trade with the EU, you will abide by their standards. In the short term, at least running two sets of quality assurance/standards etc is unlikely as it's a time-consuming hassle.

I am waiting to see what happens with the NHS. The over 65s need access to healthcare - they are the statistical super users. Does Johnson jack up the prices with stealth privatisation, pissing off his main base, but pleasing his masters? Or something else?

It’s not confected if it’s true, Dusty. Posters were trotting out the old “immigrants = rapists” shit

Actual lies

You may be happy with such views but I am very much not

Do not presume to 'know' what I am or am not happy with