Westminstenders: Penny dropping time

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Johnson already seems to be hinting at protections for workers rights and the environment that he promised are to be dropped.

Along with enshrining Brexit in law to the end of Dec 2020 thus creating another Brexit no deal date. This time without any safety net in parliament.

"won't Johnson be more liberal than he suggested" they cry

About that...

Mind you not everyone liked Nandy's speech, or at least not the bit about the new speaker's background:

"Sorry, but this is just pure and utter tosh. John Bercow’s dad was a taxi driver, Betty Boothroyd’s parents were textile workers from Dewsbury while Michael Martin grew up in Anderston Glasgow. Conversely Lindsay Hoyle is the son of a former Labour MP subsequently Baron Hoyle"

Cendrillon Don't you have any people around you in RL to alienate?

Literally none - even Tory HQ have binned him

“ His MPs never said about him, as they did for BJ:
"All you can rely on with Boris is that he'll let you down"”

Odd, isn’t it, that they all trustingly expect him to deliver Brexit?
If he does, it must be the first time he’s ever delivered on a promise he’s made.

Reportedly Gove is calling for the zeal of MacMillan ....to replenish the stock that MrsT sold off to bribe voters.

And that is the sort of old-fashioned Conservatism which many people would be happy with. But it is a huge departure from the Conservatism we have seen in recent years.

Whether Johnson can change - Damascene conversions do happen, but I think it's unlikely and besides which he fancies himself as Churchill, not boring old MacMillan.

Just because not enough people care about crooks & demagogues in power doesn't mean we should all close our eyes

The history of such leaders shows how many people ignored their faults earlier on, then eventually their country comes a cropper

Because crooks make terrible leaders

Lindsay Hoyle - strong Lancashire accent. A failure of southerners is to think that all northern accents are working class. They are not.

On a previous thread we were musing about where the north or the south started. Is one test whether you go 'up to London' or 'down to London'? As well as what your evening meal is. Despite living in the south, my evening meal is still tea.

BJ will do whatever benefits him
He has no principles

If he thinks U-turning will, then that's what he'll do
Or he'll go full ERG if that means a longer lazier time in office

I must keep posting about BJ's lies and what most other Tories think of him,
since it obviously annoys the Tory hangers-on here

@BigChocFrenzy, I'm also retiring on Jan 31st!

We should have a thread party

I must keep posting about BJ's lies and what most other Tories think of him, since it obviously annoys the Tory hangers-on here

Please do, because what is going please the new voters in the north is not the extreme right wing stuff of Rees-Mogg, but old-fashioned conservatism which shades into social democracy. Which the Tory hangers on really don't like.

Peter Foster@pmdfoster

Four possible #Brexit endgames for @BorisJohnson trade talks this autumn, now extension in July ruled out

• my latest

1. zero/zero FTA + bits
2. limited FTA with tariffs + fewer bits
3. revert to WTO scheds
4. a fudgy rollover (sweetness levels tbc)

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/17/four-possible-scenarios-boris-johnsons-brexit-negotiations/

Bore Snap ! 🤛🏼
We'll have a virtual Lindt 🍫 together
but um, we'd better keep the celebrations quiet that day

I've got 2 retirement meals, 1 huge one the week before for our department of about 70
then one for just my team on the 31st

Are you going out too?

I had one do last week and will be having another, but not on the 31st. I'll probably be here scoffing Lindt

You most definitely must keep posting those lies, BigChoc!

Congrats @BoreofWhabylin.

Congrats to the retirees...more time for a political career.

I've been out since this afternoon and missed the thread. I don’t get why Johnson is like Macmillan? Some one said
they had spookily-similar backgrounds?

Was Macmillan also of a Turkish descent then?
I know all about the Johnson family adopting the name Johnson to replace Osman Kemal’s name etc. I didn't know Macmillan was not his real name either then? Or was it the American bit or the Anglo Swiss and German French heritage that's similar. Doesn't really matter but very confusing.

I don’t get why Johnson is like Macmillan?

Cendrillon being silly, is why. I thought it was MacMillan's wife who had the affair, which was kept very quiet. No parading your latest mistress in public as Johnson does.

Splitting the party Smile. However, as I discussed with my bil almost the day Corbyn was elected 3 years ago, it's going to be about who keeps the name. The Labour Party. Think that the Corbynites will have a strangle hold on it. They are a parasite who feed on their hosts. The host is nearly dry.

As far as we are aware, MacMillan was faithful to his wife, so couldn't parade his string of mistresses in public.

As for Comparisons - old Etonians - check, and er that's about it.
MacMillan took over after Eden (another old Etonian) made a mess. Maybe there is a MacMillan waiting in the wings - I might have said someone like Rory Stewart but he got booted out.

FPTP kills any party that splits
It would have to replace Labour - much better just to reclaim the party

A new party will fizzle out quickly like Change UK,
or like the SDP will eventually have to merge with the Libs - which hardly increased their combined vote once the first excitement died down

Look at the GE voting difference between the sexes for the 18-24 age group:

The age differences:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election?

Ds sent us this picture on WhatsApp - we've talked bout its content before on these threads.

Dh pointed out that in Yes (Prime?) minister a long time ago, Sir Humphrey explained that was why the M4 (London to Oxford) existed long before the M11 (London to Cambridge). Although he was talking about Home Secretaries at the time...same notion applied: that it was only when there was a Home Secretary who went to Cambridge that the M11 got built...