What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

Listening
Cross purposes indeed.
I have no idea why anyone is against Erasmus. I find it incomprehensible.

The EC FAQ doesn't concur with your post.
Sorry to c&p, but it states:

1. The university where I am studying is in a different country than my country of origin. Can I do a mobility period in my country of origin?

It is possible to do a mobility period (study or training) in your country of origin as an Erasmus+ student, provided that your country of origin is not the country you normally study and live in. However, the selection criteria are defined by the higher education institutions participating in the programme, which could decide that students applying to study in their country of origin should have a lower priority than those applying to a country different from their country of origin. In any case, the selection criteria need to be set out in a fair and transparent way before participants submit their applications, and it is not possible to introduce differences in grant allocation based on nationality.

I think a lot of remain voters have accepted that brexit will happen albeit with a very heavy heart. I think it would help enormously if people who voted leave could help remain voters to see the benefits of leaving. It would be really helpful if leave voters could be specific of what might happen and how ordinary folk will benefit. I have seen or heard a few examples but nothing very concrete. I think it would help bring a divided country closer together.

AuldAlliance I find parent teacher interviews in England quite depressing - the whole emphasis seems to be on how to answer the question and not on knowledge and understanding. The teachers are good and really enthusiastic (they’re generally young) but it seems ingrained that it’s how you play the game.

**I think it would help enormously if people who voted leave could help remain voters to see the benefits of leaving

Having observed most of the threads since the referendum, I can’t possibly see how any leave voter could convince any remain voter of what they view as the ‘benefits’ of leaving as at least from my vantage point, any leave voter which has attempted to articulate their reasons has come under fire.

It appears that even if any leave voter does have a valid reason it is never accepted as being reasonable by remainers.

FWIW my own personal opinion is that neither leave nor remain could know for sure whether Brexit will be beneficial to the U.K. simply because as far as I’m aware nobody has a crystal ball.

As universities, in the more academic subjects, benefit white english middle class students, why is there such faux shock at Erasmus?

My DD health degree course, needed AAB (120pts) to get on it, 78 started the course, around 50 now survive, mixture of foreign (mainly asian) and middle class students (if money is the criteria?) & it is simply not possible to do these courses without parental support, a 1000 hours of placement require a car or the ability to pay up front public transport and extra accommodation, indeed that is the whole point of the move to mtce loans, the max at 8.7k minus 6k for rent, isn't enough without such backup.

Erasmus is no different, TBF it would be better to focus on the inequalities in primary and secondary education than what happens at Uni level, by which time it is all a bit too late.

If i've posted similar before apologies, if anyone would notice, too much Vino collapso!

you have to have knowledge and understanding to answer most questions though, what the examiner is looking for is often way above this. Getting the technique right is a far harder academic skill.

Pinkies -

It appears that even if any leave voter does have a valid reason it is never accepted as being reasonable by remainers.-

Perhaps but I have not seen or heard any detailed explanation of anticipated benefits. I am willing to listen and contemplate. I have some Lexit friends who have tried to explain but it is fairly high level and lacks details.

I think the problem is when asking for benefits is that people want specifics. There can't actually be any till how we leave, and the trade deal are confirmed.

Of course this was the leave strategy, don't say what leave will look like.

However lots of leavers aims could have happened in the UK without leaving, and many of them come down to imaginary costs of immigration.

Malylis - yes but surely one could base possible benefits of a preferred trade deal outcome. I understand that this might change but it would at least paint a possible future.

The preferred trade out come is always the same though. Same benefits as now. This is not going to happen.

Those who talk about no deal benefits have no idea.

For example, they could tell us why a trade deal with the USA is preferable to one with the EU. Trade deal in what exactly?

The thing I love about the US trade deal is a huge number of reasons given for leaving the EU are aslo applicable to the US.

"We don't want to be linked to all these massivelky indebted countries " hmmm have you seen US debt to gdp?

"The EU's share of world trade is falling" so is the US's.

Did Clavinova not have a list of blocked domestic legislation ?

And as for trade deals with the USA

• the reason the EU does not have one is that the US team make unreasonable demands and thus the EU team sent them packing.

A weakened isolated UK will not be able to.

The EU and UK must both protect their single markets, if If they allow open borders and have no tarrifs or non tariif barriers on goods with one WTO member the must allow it to them all (in the absence of no deal). This is the point, they don't have to have a hard border but there is no current technology that allows the movement of goods across this border ensuring that all tariffs and ntbs have been observed

You forget that Trump has all but wrecked the WTO ability to rule over disputes and hence the most favoured nation rule can be ignored.

Remember that all EU members agreed that no deal was acceptable when Article 50 was passed into EU law in 2009 and made no reference to GFA.

Trump could well be out of office inside 12 months.
But we can now all ignore international rules and regs if it suits us?

When A50 was written, no one could foresee that one of the EU's largest economies would leave, in 2009, there was zero talk of the UK having a referendum, so hardly surprising a poorly written piece of EU law makes no reference.

(a) Trump is highly likely to win the next election as the Democratic party are still navel gazing same a Labour

(b) If people start to mess about with WTO rules in a way that disadvantages China, I can see pressure being put on Trump (he's already fully capitulated to Xi on tariffs) to appoint judges

It would be a mistake to ignore mfn status as that then means others can do it with impunity.

Trump winning the next election isn't all that likely, the whole thing swung on a few hundred thousand votes in Michigan and Ohio, he lost the.popular vote.

I wouldn't say Trumpy is 'highly likely' to win, but he has a puncher's chance, and the dear old Dems could go way off to the left and throw it away.

On the positive side, I see Sanders has fully recovered from a very minor heart attack, which ought to put paid to him, please.

The two nights I’ve woken in the night to check the results - Trump getting elected and the Brexit referendum. I still can’t understand why people voted for either of them.

In the case of Trump, they mostly voted for Hillary, and the ones that voted for Stein would have delivered her the Presidency if Stein had not been Trump's handmaid.

Crissmus
I very much doubt that because Stein's votes were often in states that were solidly one way or the other.
The Electoral college system is even weirder than FPTP
but the failure is with the major candidates not the minor ones

I cannot see anybody who can beat Trump other than Trump himself

And back in the UK, Labour will destroy themselves before actually opposing anything the Tories do

I've just checked here
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Results_by_state
There are two states where Trumps margin was less than the number of votes won by Stein
but several where Johnson's vote stole states from Trump

When A50 was written, no one could foresee that one of the EU's largest economies would leave, in 2009

Why? UK has had a trade deficit with EU since 1999 which is 10 years before Article 50 was passed into EU law and agreed by all EU members that no deal was an acceptable outcome.

I still can’t understand why people voted for either of them

I can’t understand why some think UK paying £50 million per day to EU in return for a trade deficit of £64 Billion is a good deal?

I don't understand why you think leaving the EU will resolve a structural trade deficit. As we are in charge of all of our monetary and fiscal policy this was always in our own hands.