What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

No wonder the EU are now saying there may be an extension

EU will always want an extension as every month that UK remains in the EU it is another £1 Billion paid by the UK into the EU pot.

If there is no trade deal with the EU in place the UK does business under World Trade Organisation rules until one is agreed

Correct. That’s when things will become interesting in Ireland. WTO does not require a hard border, but EU rules state that there must be hard borders between EU and Non EU countries.

Hence GFA is broken by Ireland to align with EU rules. France and Germany fully aware of fact they will be held responsible for the destruction of the GFA and US may turn it’s threat of trade sanctions on the EU.

Remember US does not like the EU.

Ah how many times does the money thing bave to be addressed ? The UK's net contribution to the EU budget amounts to 5.5 percent. Its not about money.

The WTO does not require a hard border but does require control of each individual single market, which will require a hard border.

No point saying anything about the WTO whilst it has no court to make any rulings on disputes. Its essentially defunct.

Fanciful rubbish about the US/GFA stuff

Why is Mystery going on about the WTA? It's no longer quorate because of Trump's failure to appoint replacement judges, so I agree with malylis - it might as well not exist.

The idea that the WTO is defunct because of the issues with the dispute settlement mechanism is just flat out wrong. However, WTO terms provide only very basic market access and are plainly not appropriate for U.K.-EU trade.

You can trade on WTO terms, but how do you solve disputes when countries stop doing this? How do you get other countries to agree to changes in our schedule when there is no court to make rulings if there are disputes? Essentially WTO rules are being adhered to on good will

but does require control of each individual single market, which will require a hard border

Incorrect. WTO has told both Ireland and the UK that neither will be required to install a hard border in the event of no deal exit from the EU by the UK. However, WTO has no jurisdiction over the EU border regulations. This is why France and Germany suggested that NI remains in the CU and SM as if they instruct Ireland to install a hard border it Is Ireland, under the EU border laws, that breaks the GFA.

Remember if the UK leaves the EU without a deal then, as per article 50, all laws and treaties between EU and UK lapse instantly. Hence whatever the EU instructs any of the EU members to do has no comeback on the UK whatsoever.

Remember that no deal was sanctioned by all members of the EU in 2009 when Article was passed into EU law. Also remember that GFA is not written into EU law. Hence no reference to GFA in Article 50.

That WTO does not currently have a mechanism to solve disputes or enforce any of its requirements does not prevent countries from trading on WTO terms. There are currently 164 countries who are members of WTO, compared to only 28 in the EU.

It is correct. The EU and UK must both protect their single markets, if If they allow open borders and have no tarrifs or non tariif barriers on goods with one WTO member the must allow it to them all (in the absence of no deal). This is the point, they don't have to have a hard border but there is no current technology that allows the movement of goods across this border ensuring that all tariffs and ntbs have been observed.

As usual mystery you have found a smidge of information you think backs you up and it actually doesn't.

Its all moot anyway NI will remain in the customs union in any event, no need to rely on the DUP anymore.

Your desperate attempts to blame breaking the GFA on the EU are very very funny btw.

WTO trading rules put the UK at a significant disadvantage anyway, with no court its unlikely that the UK will be able to make changes to its schedules, and will have to apply current tariffs to all WTO countries, who will in turn apply them back

Not good for the UK at all.

Erasmus is aimed at the brightest students no matter what their background
therefore it is more available to kids doing high academic degrees at high academic universities
that is not a failing of Erasmus
that is a targeting of resources
if the UK schools are rubbish at pushing bright kids onto Erasmus linked courses is yet again not an EU problem

but luckily kids contaminated by Erasmus might be more willing to eat UK produced razor clams

Boris appears to have changed his mind!

We know that Boris Johnson has changed his mind - will he change it back though?

Only I suspect if he judges that this is the way the land is lying and it helps him to stay in Office.

Boris appears to have changed his mind!

Appears to be disingenuously taken out of context. It's actually from a discursive piece that Johnson wrote;

"The arguments for and against Brexit" ...

The direct quote has been altered slightly - "at least some" has been (deliberately) removed - and this paragraph follows immediately on from the quote;

"Against these points we must enter the woeful defects of the EU. It is manifestly undemocratic and in some ways getting worse. It is wasteful, expensive and occasionally corrupt.The Common Agricultural Policy is iniquitous towards developing countries.The EU is legislating over an ever wider range of policy areas, now including human rights, and with Britain ever more frequently outvoted.There is currently no effective means of checking this one-way ratchet of growth-strangling regulation, and to make matters worse the EU is now devoting most of its intellectual energy to trying to save the euro, a flawed project from which we are thankfully exempt.The EU’s share of global trade is diminishing, and the people who prophesy doom as a result of Brexit are very largely the same people who said we should join the euro." ...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12145593/Voters-have-to-ask-Donald-Tusk-some-hard-questions-before-they-accept-his-EU-deal.html

Boris was all for not leaving the EU back when he was mayor of London.

Most of that quote above is factually incorrect anyway. Although its interesting how he talks about democracy and has then removed parliamentary over sight from brexit.

This one is the best "the EU's share of global trade is diminishing". Yes when you compare percentages, but in real terms and nominal it has grown.

Its like saying 30 percent of half a litre is greater than 20 percent of 10 litres.

Most of that quote above is factually incorrect anyway.
Looks pretty accurate to me - sums up the EU pretty well.

Boris was all for not leaving the EU back when he was mayor of London.

He wrote this in 2013;

"This renegotiation [David Cameron's renegotiation] can only work if we understand clearly what we want to achieve: a pared-down relationship based on free trade and cooperation. And our partners will only take us seriously if they think we will invoke Article 50, and pull out, if we fail to get what we want. If we are going to have any chance of success in the negotiations, we need to show that the UK is willing to walk away."

Why would he be writing about a renegotiation in 2013? 2 years before the election and 3 before the referendum? Before the referendum and renegotiation were proposed ?

He was pro EU and pro immigration as mayor. Im sure you can find the quotes clav.

"Looks accurate to me". The UK is not frequently out voted, the rate at which they were increased slightly under the Cameron government, most of which was pandering to the eurosceptics

Point about the EU share of trade has been dealt with, its inaccurate.

Euro is a failing project? Eurozone grew faster than the UK last year and the euro is higher against the pound that historic average.

CAP reforms are being discussed and it will change in the next spending round.

You dependence on C and P shows no actual depth of knowledge and you think it backs your supposition points but it doesn't.

Boris at the start of the referendum process wanted to vote to leave then to renegotiate the position (remember Cameron mocking him in parliament?))

Essentially clav that quote is just a jumble of key words used about the EU by leave supporters, no accuracy, depth or real meaning.

Which is of course why you like it.

www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-fan-of-eu-wanted-stay-single-market-brexit-2019-7?IR=T

Indeed - "the woeful defects of the EU" has a certain ring to it.

Its just words, they don't actually mean anything when put under any scrutiny.

January 2013;

^"Mr Johnson clearly signals that he will vote to leave the EU if Britain’s relationship with the single market remains unchanged. “I will vote yes if we get the right deal, but obviously logically I can’t rule out voting no.”"

"So how many powers need to be repatriated for him to vote for Britain to stay in the single market? He sets out three targets: employment regulations, fisheries policy and the EU social chapter."

“If they give Britain a deal we are happy with, they won’t have to endure the misery of us constantly complaining about things in the future.”

"Yet it appears too late to renegotiate one edict from Brussels that is alarming many in this country. From December, Britain will have to open its borders to any Romanians and Bulgarians who want to settle here."

“In an ideal world, we would have a points system or way of making sure those who are coming here are economically active and not a drain on resources,” says Mr Johnson. “We need to think about this – especially considering the underestimate in the number of people who came from Poland and the other accession countries the last time.”

"Official estimates now suggest that somewhere between one and two million eastern Europeans came to Britain after migration restrictions from Poland and seven other European countries were relaxed in 2004.The Home Office had initially expected 13,000."

"He argues that uncontrolled immigration is “one of the things that has most unnerved” the British about Europe, and that doing something about this might make the British public more likely to vote to remain in the EU."

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/davos/9828588/Davos-2013-Boris-Johnson-tells-it-on-the-mountain.html

"Leave campaigner Boris Johnson has said he changed his mind on staying in the single market because of failures to reform the European Union."

"Speaking to Sky News after a video emerged in which he said he would vote to remain in the single market, the former London mayor said he made the remarks in 2013 after the Prime Minister had promised "we would have fundamental and far-reaching reform" of the European Union."

"We have had nothing of the kind," Mr Johnson said."

So he said contrasting things in 2013 alone ?

Funny that

and then tried to change it retrospectively.

hahahah, keep copying and pasting.

So he said contrasting things in 2013 alone?

No idea - the Sky News clip has been closely edited - context (deliberately) removed as usual.