What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

Like we used to do when we believed in Parliamentary democracy

Democracy was working until the average person voted leave against the personal ambitions of MPs. Remain supporters broke their backs for over three years to argue the result was void, people were lied to, leavers were thick heads, everyone has changed their minds.

The recent election results were brilliant. Arrogant remain supporters had their arses belted again. Labour got the worst results since 1935 and Jo Swinson lost her seat.

The will of the UK people is to leave the EU.

Except we could have left in May if the ERG had voted for May's deal.

Oh and if the leave campaign cam argue for decades about having another referendum, and its leaders even go on record as saying they would campaign for another on a close result . Why can't remainers.

I mean "we were lied to" was a common refrain about the 1975 referendum.

Hypocritical as always

The will of the UK people is to leave the EU.

Of course I accept the GE results as the rules are what they are and led to this result, however let me remind you that the Tories did lose the popular vote. The GE was not a rerun of the referendum if only because the two systems are so different!

The only way to put the divides to bed is to have a prosperous country in which public services improve, the real underlying causes of poverty are addressed and workers rights protected. I don't much care about anything else at this point.

I am looking forward to getting a good photo of a rainbow unicorn
jumping over Schroedingers immigrant

I'm looking forward to each brexit voter slowly realising that their own individual idea of what brexit will look like will not occur.

Then laughing from the continent.

Look up the interview she had about how much it would cost to employ 10,000 more police. Diane Abbott estimated it would cost £80 million to employ 10,000 extra police

Look up the hammond interview on how much HS2 will cost.....

See what i mean!

We all screw up and she explained that with as an issue with her diabetic med's.... which Teresa May, to her credit, accepted.

However, for some, they will pounce on Labour xxxx up's or in the case of the BBC, will play 3 year old clips of Johnson at the Cenotaph rather than embarrass a tory. ... or maybe edit a video clip to remove laughter....

The BBC also played their part in pushing the Brexit agenda too.

Look up Boris or any of the tory front bench messing up data on nurses and hospitals. Or in the 2017 campaign (the same one Dianne gets battered for) Grieve, Gove, Johnson and Hammond all messing up figures.

Look at Nigel Farage not being able to explain how the WTO works (despite claiming we would revert to WTO terms in the same interview) on Andrew Neil.

Funnily enough these people don't get the idiot thing thrown at them repeatedly or mocked anywhere near as much for being "stupid" as Dianne does.

Funny that making out black people are thick is a racist stereotype too.

Happy Christmas from one of the metropolitan liberal elite, now I have got back from work and eaten my tea, all is well in the Frumpety household, peace and goodwill to all

Glad Tidings to All - and thankyou malysis for taking the time to even consider researching further the negative impact on the UK low-paid because of the UK's interpretation and implementation of EU FOM.

There are many factors to analyze here, however every study into the impacts of FOM on UK wages demonstrates a negative impact, even though most descibe it as "small".

My understanding of 'solid' research is that equal credence should be given to the qualiative and the quantitative. Stats, graphs, etc are important, but so too is the qualiative. This is where you find out the social side, what people think, live and feel and articulate it.

Therefore, in the current context of brexitism, I assert that any qualiative research would have found that the people who knew that FOM had a negative impact on the T&Cs of their lives, didn't 'know' this by reading stats and graphs, they live it.

However, against a quantitive (and more so a qualiative) backdrop that descibes the impacts on the low-paid as "small", besides immediately beggging the question - small to who?. It does explain somewhat why the GE produced the results it did.

So I look forward to improvements to the T&Cs of the low-paid, steerheaded by those that employ and need them, rather than by Unions and Political Parties that aver they speak for us.

The Employers today see themselves as the Entrepreneurs and Providers of a New World Future, etc, ad infinitum - so sort it out properly and to the good of the UK Workforce.

Or just bugger off somewhere else.

Its interesting that you raise the issue of people "feeling it" because those areas with lowest immigration have the highest objection to it.

Feelings are not the same as data, people may feel something but those feelings are influenced by their own prejudices.

The T and C of the low paid are not unduly influenced by EU immigration, as all the data shows.

I'm Looking forward to the property market crashing and housing becoming affordable.
I'm looking forward to people finally realizing what a Corrupt bunch of self serving tossers the Tories are.

I'm Looking forward to the property market crashing and housing becoming affordable

Presumably you’re also looking forward to massive job losses and assuming you’re among the lucky ones who will remain employed.

Those who pray for a property market crash are very naive.

Work out what a 30 percent drop in house prices means, then calculate what you still need as a deposit at 25 percent, and multiples of salaries of 2.5.

You aren't buying

I keep seeing Erasmus mentioned on Mumsnet. I don't know a single person who benefitted from this, but maybe that's because I'm from a working class Northern household.

Personally I already feel the benefit of everyone no longer talking about Brexit (except here, where no doubt it will rumble on and on and on and on to infinity and beyond).

I don't know a single person who benefitted from this, but maybe that's because I'm from a working class Northern household.

Neither do i, and im a middle class southerner

Yes maylis I do agree somewhat, that the Leave areas that shifted their vote from Labour to Conservative, weren't those areas mostly impacted by FOM. However, despite the geographical area, FOM has acted as an overall 'supressant' to UK low-paid wages.

It is interesting that you describe the qualiative research of the people to whom the quantitave research you rely on as "feelz".

This is probably far more indicative of the research environment we now find ourself postitioned - rather than any 'blanket ignorance' that you don't intend to exhibit.

I imagine Brexit will be discussed much more in RL once the impact starts to be felt. It’s impacting my work as I’ve two clients who are pulling out of the UK and relocating, one in mainland Europe and the other in the Far East.

Except the evidence I gave you shows not Hate, of course when it comes to wages we should rely on quantitative research rather than qualitative. Why are wages in the north lower than London? It ain't to do with immigration.

In reality those areas that blame immigration for their woes have significantly higher than average unemployment, significantly lower than average educational attainment, and very low immigration. But of course its immigration that is the problem.

Just had to listen to my mother go on about "blacks" or as she calls them "p" a slur she uses for anyone with dark skin no matter if from Pakistan, India, Africa or The Caribbean. We're in Scotland, there's extremely low immigration from anywhere and very rarely see anyone in town who isn't Caucasian and that's her attitude. It sickens me. I don't need to tell you how she voted and why.

My local pub is full of people who think Brexit will stop muslims and blacks.

Its going to be fun.

Maylis - I haven't mentioned immigration, which is vey different to FOM. I inadvertently thought I was opening up a discussion with someone conversant with research methods, I do aplogize if my assumption was incorrect - and your statements and assertions are formulated on a different basis.

I do assert, however, that irrespective of geographical location, FOM has acted as a 'supressor' on the wages of the T&Cs of the UK Low Paid.

Do I blame the EU - no I don't; Do I blame the EU worker - no I don't; do I blame immigrants - no I don't. Can I go back over recent history and say we should have done this? Yes I can.

But whatever, this is what we have now, and blaming others or trying to find where fault lays, is unproductive in my view.

Which evidence do you use, the Bank of England study? The NIESR research i discussed is based on that.

I'd encourage you to read it, and the LSE study

If there was a significant impact on wages of FOM it would be proved by evidence.

Oh and I am very familiar with research methods.

The qualitative ones show that fom is a much bigger issue in areas with very little. Like Sunderland and North West Durham. Also in these areas FOM is associated with wider immigration

My ds benefitted from erasmus last year. We are a working class household, income less than 30k.
Hes the first to go to uni. I'm on 8.40 an hour, dh not much more.
Ds2 won't get erasmus thanks to the tories.
We are as far from the moneyed elite as you can get.