What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

Frumpety

That made me laugh. I am also part of the elite, in spite of earning half the national average.

Nothing. Honestly. Nothing. It sucks.

Im looking forward to all the halfwits who voted to "get Brexit done" realising what a drawn out process its all going to be. They will probably blame jonny foreigner for that too.

Im looking forward to seeing Boris get the comeuppance he deserves as the man who inflicted so much damage on a nation hes going to make Thatcher look like a walk in the park. Its going to take a long time and will be cold comfort when the UK is in the toilet.

I don’t know much about Diane Abbott but have just looked up her history - pretty impressive background and experiences

Look up the interview she had about how much it would cost to employ 10,000 more police. Diane Abbott estimated it would cost £80 million to employ 10,000 extra police.

That works out at £8,000 per year per police person. Minimum wage exceeds that.

See my point.

Why did you vote to leave?

To accelerate the break up of the EU. 10 paying in while 18 take out is only a good deal for the 18 that take out.

Remind me how many new seats the Tories won in Scotland

Immaterial as Scotland represents only 8% of UK population.

You pay into the EU to benefit everyone - similar to PAYE. Where is the money going to come from to replace the EU benefits. How to you put a value on the loss of FOM?

Saying people have been conned is a way of explaining why a narrow majority voted Leave in the referendum

On that logic then every time there is a close victory those that voted for the victor were conned?

Scotland voted 55% to remain in UK in the 2014 referendum. Does that mean they were all conned?

Before this referendum was presented as an option in 2016, I wonder how many of those who voted leave were actively conscious and campaigning to leave the EU.
As in, if the referendum hadn't been presented, would the idea of 'leave' even be a thing? Would it even have made any difference?

Would all those people who voted leave now be campaigning and shouting in the streets to Leave? Because being in the EU was so insufferable, so awful that the only option would be to escape its clutches.

Now I'm not in the mind or every single leave voter, but I do believe that had the option not being presented, the idea of leaving wouldn't even have occurred to many.

Dead souls - I've said this many a time. The only reason DC called a referendum was to stop his party in-fighting and defecting to UKIP

You pay into the EU to benefit everyone - similar to PAYE

Another load. Self employed and those working through one director Limited companies pay themselves below the NI limit salary to get a credit for NI.

Perfectly possible for someone to be self employed or work through a limited company and never pay a penny in NI, but get all the benefits of those that have paid NI.

Where is the money going to come from to replace the EU benefits

Freedom to trade with the rest of the World. Remember that the Eurozone only represents 15% of World Trade. That why EU commission has veto over EU members making trade deals direct. EU single market is all about protecting profits of the EU by denying EU members access to cheaper alternatives.

How to you put a value on the loss of FOM?

UK, like every other country in the World, can issue resident visa and work permit for anyone they think whose presence will benefit the UK.

I have worked outside the UK for over 30 years and without exception employer has had to obtain visa and work permit from government and explain why a local person cannot be employed in my place.

There is massive talent and ability in countries like China and India, but they are pushed aside in favour of persons from Eastern Europe.

All very simple when you think about it

Now I'm not in the mind or every single leave voter, but I do believe that had the option not being presented, the idea of leaving wouldn't even have occurred to many

If the National Lottery had not been invented nobody would have bought ticket either, but it was invented so they buy tickets.

You pay into the EU to benefit everyone - similar to PAYE. Where is the money going to come from to replace the EU benefits. How to you put a value on the loss of FOM?

Ah, but MysteryTripAgain has already said on this thread they don’t live in the UK or pay tax, just top up their NI contributions to reach the 35 years of paying in to get state pension.

Perfectly possible for someone to be self employed or work through a limited company and never pay a penny in NI, but get all the benefits of those that have paid NI

Sounds like a voice of experience here? Let me guess, you pay a minimal salary (just enough to reach the NI contribution threshold for pension credit but no actual NI contributions or tax to be paid), pay corporation tax on company profits and then top up with dividends?

I’m a remainer. Devasted about the result. Pessimistic about the future of Britain.

The most tangible benefit I can see is that we may be slightly more shielded from the economic crisis awaiting Europe and the Eurozone, namely, the Italian debt situation, than if we were in the EU.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/simonconstable/2019/06/20/doomed-how-theres-no-way-out-of-the-debt-crisis-for-italy/amp/

Sounds like a voice of experience here? Let me guess, you pay a minimal salary (just enough to reach the NI contribution threshold for pension credit but no actual NI contributions or tax to be paid), pay corporation tax on company profits and then top up with dividends?

It was a good guess.

MysteryTripAgain

That is true re: lottery tickets.

I think what I am trying to say in a clumsy way, is that leaving the EU didn't seem as imperative then (pre-referendum), as it seems to be now.

Of course, there were Eurosceptics in parliament, people like Farage who has made it his mission in life to leave the EU. There was unhappiness at times about fishing quotas and agricultural policy. Stories about bendy bananas and so on. Disquiet about immigration. All of this rumbling in the background. But...for the average person going about their life; was leaving the EU a priority? Was it in the foreground? Was the EU something that the Leave voters were actively campaigning against? Leaving was something they passionately believed in? A deeply held principle?

But suddenly present the choice in a referendum and then it seems IMPERATIVE to leave the EU. Things that are currently not working will be fixed by leaving the EU. It is being in the EU that has caused the problems. If we leave, it will be solved. Therefore we MUST leave the EU. It was not this way pre-referendum before the choice was presented.

And politicians ruthlessly exploited the idea of leaving to further their own agenda and to fuel the idea that things that are broken are broken because we are part of the EU.

Of course, this must be true for the remain politicians who probably also had an agenda to push.

The problem was with the referendum itself. I just don't think, logically, it's the best way of deciding things.

The most tangible benefit I can see is that we may be slightly more shielded from the economic crisis awaiting Europe and the Eurozone, namely, the Italian debt situation, than if we were in the EU

This is why Nancy Pelosi (Italian Origin) is trying to thwart Brexit by saying there will never be a trade deal between UK and US if it is disadvantageous to Ireland in any way. She could not care less about Ireland.

Shitting bricks about Italy becoming the next Greece.

This is another major failure on part of EU. It has rules for gaining membership (which Greece circumnavigated to obtain membership), but no rules for expulsion of bad members.

Not surprising that the Eastern European countries wanted membership. There are rules for letting countries in, but none for kicking them out afterwards.

My incredibly thick and racist BIL and his stupid fiance realising they are not getting more benefit money even though the immigrants who supposedly stole their jobs are 'gone' now.

It was a good guess

No guessing required. I know how it works. All perfectly legal.

I’m sure it’s just like Poland takes more out of the EU than it pays in,

But suddenly present the choice in a referendum and then it seems IMPERATIVE to leave the EU

Scotland were offered a referendum in 2014 to leave the UK. They voted not to leave. So your logic that leave the EU was offered made it imperative to vote leave does not sound logical?

And politicians ruthlessly exploited the idea of leaving to further their own agenda and to fuel the idea that things that are broken are broken because we are part of the EU

Correct

Of course, this must be true for the remain politicians who probably also had an agenda to push

Also correct

The problem was with the referendum itself. I just don't think, logically, it's the best way of deciding things

The entire UK awaits your suggestion as to how such subjects can be decided; more effectively, more fairly and at the same time pleases everyone.

Mysteryship

Scotland were offered a referendum in 2014 to leave the UK. They voted not to leave. So your logic that leave the EU was offered made it imperative to vote leave does not sound logical

Not sure I understand this. Maybe I'm not putting my point across clearly. In that, leaving the EU was hardly a burning issue for the general public before the referendum. Certainly not in the same way as Scottish Indendence was/is for Scottish people.

The entire UK awaits your suggestion as to how such subjects can be decided; more effectively, more fairly and at the same time pleases everyone

Sure it's not the entire UK...
Anyway....would it not have been better to present a few options?
Or take it as advisory...go away...take on board the result. Come up with the options for leaving (of which there are a few), take it back to the public, put it to a vote.
Do what other countries have done with referendum results?

But....it's almost Christmas day! So happy xmas, Christmas eve, holidays etc

For one day, we should put politics aside. Merry Christmas everyone.

Merry Christmas everyone wherever you are!

Immaterial as Scotland represents only 8% of UK population.

A typical yah boo sucks attitude to Scotland. It's no wonder that many wish to gain independence.

The entire UK awaits your suggestion as to how such subjects can be decided; more effectively, more fairly and at the same time pleases everyone.

By a proper debate in Parliament, based on a Commission to report issues, Green and then White papers plus an unwhipped vote. Like we used to do when we believed in Parliamentary democracy.

Those statistics on the impact on the low paid need better explaining.

So here goes, the NIESR paper how small is small works out the impact to be a 1 percent fall in wages rises across 8 years or 1 penny an hour in lower wages rises.

Calculated this is 20.80 for each year, and means that people in the lowest paid jobs are paid a grand total of £166.4 less than they would have been if there had been no EU immigration, assuming all other factors remain the same. This means they are paid 3.20 less a week than they would have been.

However the minimum wage in 2004 was £4.85 and in 2012 £6.19, meaning take home pay increased (assuming a standard 40 week), increased by 53 pounds, and changes to the tax threshold meant an extra 70 pounds per week was tax free.

In reality the impact on the low paid has been so small as to not actually be noticeable.