What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

It’s just this idea that all that land we used in ‘the past’ for food is just sitting there waiting to be used again. Not say, sold on at a huge profit to house builders or to motorway extensions or whatever. Also that someone is still, all these X-years later (who knows how many?) diligently tending to the soil so it’s still fertile enough to grow strawberries and apples and mangoes and pineapples and pears and bananas on the off chance that this day would come. It’s just such an illogical way to think, oh we did it once so we can do it again right now, no problem.

If only someone had told all the merchant sailors who died in the Atlantic convoys in the 1940s that they were being silly, we could manage.

Mangoes, bananas and pineapples? In the UK? That’ll either take a shit ton of power to grow in greenhouse type structures (ignoring the need for the trees to grow - no, wait, we can buy them in) or we need to just wait for climate change to turn the UK tropical (well, hopefully before it sinks beneath the rising waters etc).

What can possibly go wrong!

Can I just leave this here?

Not only, 'oh we managed' - we now have an aging population who are physically not able to put in the hours of backbreaking work to harvest crops.

I am sure though that yes, we could turn more over to crop and livestock production. But it would need planning and finance, not an idiotic statement that it's scaremongering.

Mangoes, bananas and pineapples? In the UK? That’ll either take a shit ton of power to grow in greenhouse type structures (ignoring the need for the trees to grow - no, wait, we can buy them in) or we need to just wait for climate change to turn the UK tropical (well, hopefully before it sinks beneath the rising waters etc).

Nah, we don’t have to worry about the details of following through on the promises. Just believe enough.

The fishing laws are a little barmy, but well intentioned as fish stocks need to be managed.

Remind me again, was it farage who just didn't turn up to the committee meetings that were working out how best to set the fishing regulations? Or some other mep who spent 25 years trying to get the first vote overturned?

If the bristish couldn't be bothered to turn up, do you find it surprising that they didn't get the regulations they wanted?

I'm already enacting the only positive I can see: when my patients in my Leave/Tory area moan about hospital appointments running 2 hours behind, I no longer feel any need to apologise.

We've had a Tory government for 10 years. The kit is broken because it is 22 years old; you're back for repeat imaging because the first lot was poorly done by a dubiously trained overseas member of staff, hastily recruited to try and patch up the holes left by our departed EU staff; you're still waiting because one of the staff are off sick. One, but that 'one' means there are more machines than operators, today. Why? Because no one's going into the profession because the Tories, via the red tops you read, successfully blamed the nasty NHS pensions for the 2008 financial crisis; peddled endless hate stories about The Failures of the NHS; made 58 year old staff go back onto night shifts (Hunt's 24/7 NHS) so they left; then took away the university bursary; then drove the EU staff away.

And you voted them back in.

THeElementssong
That is a very very nice chart that needs repeating
what is its source for when we get challenged

horsepants
You need to look at the import export part of fishing before thinking it will benefit from Brexit

how often to you eat cockles and razor clams ?

Now the Brexit effects on fish, are one thing which won't affect me much, because I don't eat it all that often. So definitely one for the Brexiters to enjoy.

Never mind trying to find and cultivate the land needed for farming and crops by 1 Jan 2021, what about the British weather?

What will we do when crops are ruined due to floods, drought, record temperatures?

Starve.

The Brexiteers think it's a price worth paying because they 'won' and we lost and they want to hang onto their 'prize' at all costs.

We've all lost, including the Brexiteers. They'll realise that soon. But by then it'll be too late. Sometimes you can't appreciate what you've til it's gone.

I am so so so angry that everyone is going to pay the price for brexit. If we only could somehow ringfence the Brexiteers and make sure only they suffer the consequences of Brexit. They would be willing to do that I'd have thought. Then everyone's happy.

*got

Surely a functioning adult, member of society recognises that rolling back how a country operates 50 years is not a good thing?

‘We managed before’ I don’t want to ‘manage’ I want the accesses and privileges being a member of a global fellowship, not Billy fucking no mates, paying through the nose for anything, watching poverty grow, the gap between rich and poor gape even further wide and our standing as a first world country demolished. Honestly, to pig headedly insist on something which is clearly damaging is fucking stupid and selfish.

The supposed benefits are tabloid sound bites and people didn’t feel they needed to check for truth. And now I’m seeing things like ‘well, it was obvious the NHS 350m bus wasn’t a real thing’ talk about George Orwell doublespeak.

UK managed years ago supplying the country with food and will again. It's just scaremongering.

Utterly stupid comment!

We “managed” with no health service, no electricity, no modern medicine, nothing more than horses and legs for transport.

The UK has been importing food for thousands of years

anybody who thinks otherwise should ask themselves what the point of the empire was

UK managed years ago supplying the country with food and will again. It's just scaremongering.

So why was there food rationing during WW2 when there was a population of 46million

And far from 'managing' during the war it all had to be planned. Before the war around 1938 when they realised that War was almost certainly inevitable they planned for rationing, and worked out how to provide a nutritious diet for the workers. Vested interests maybe, because with half starved workers the necessary war time production would have suffered.

Why does anyone think that having an Irish passport will be any different?

If you have an Irish passport, you will still have Freedom of Movement. Personally I think that's worthwhile.

I have just thought of an unambiguous benefit!

• More customs & excise jobs. That's a given since whatever arrangement Johnson comes to will involve border checks.

There's also the outside chance of more funding for the army, alongside the increase in police officers.

Listening I downloaded the chart from a Twitter thread about food self-sufficiency, but many months ago so I can't recall the details.

My understanding is that we haven't been self-sufficient in food since about 1850, but again, I don't know where I got that information.

Read about [[https://www.theguardian.com/news/2000/jun/22/guardianobituaries1
Elsie Widdowson]] and do tell whether preparation helped us win the war, or sticking our heads in the sands crying 'scaremongering' won the day.

elements
Interesting
I can only find reference to it from a closed account on twitter
it makes sense but so did lots of other things that turned out wrong
I'll keep looking

Peregrina
I was watching a thing about Tudor Monasteries yesterday and lots of the winter fruit and spices and drink was imported from europe and further afield

no man is an island

I don’t want to ‘manage’ regarding food. Why should I? I want a varied and interesting diet with strawberries and pineapples all year around.

For those who mentioned passports - having the right to an EU country passport will enable you to easiest work and live across the EU. I have a Belgian passport and am now so glad I didn’t give it up. Having a UK passport in the future puts you at a disadvantage.