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What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

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Pumperthepumper · 15/12/2019 17:42

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please Flowers

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Horsepants · 18/12/2019 23:18

Not being governed by EU laws and the fishermen able to have a livelihood that isn't restricted by those laws. To seeing more British grown fruit n veg in the shops which will be fresher and not have travelled so far.

dimsum123 · 18/12/2019 23:19

I don't think it matters who BJ pisses off, they will still vote for him HmmConfused

BlackeyedSusan · 18/12/2019 23:19

Why the fuck didn't you get the hell over it when the country voted to stay in Europe in the 70s?

Pot, kettle, black?

I am hoping for environmental benefits... Less money for frivolous plastic tat.

dimsum123 · 18/12/2019 23:20

@Horsepants, you mean turnips and cabbage?

wherearemychickens · 18/12/2019 23:22

Unless we go down the route of opening up our market to cheaper food from cheaper places abroad, of course, which will put a lot of our farmers out of business. So the food we get here will be cheaper, but not local and grown to the same standards.

wherearemychickens · 18/12/2019 23:24

And if we don't give in on access to our fishing waters, my understanding is we are unlikely to get tariff free trade with the EU. And lamb tariffs are punishingly high. Anyone who exports to the EU will be unprofitable overnight.

Horsepants · 18/12/2019 23:25

dimsun you're hilarious!

wherearemychickens · 18/12/2019 23:26

And aren't the catch quotas determined at a higher level than the EU? And what we catch we tend to sell to the EU? Tariffs on that, and that's our fishermen out of business.

wherearemychickens · 18/12/2019 23:28

Anyway you cut it, there will be people losing business & businesses. We are fundamentally doing a trade deal for less trade on worse terms.

Horsepants · 18/12/2019 23:28

Read where it's from a box of a strawberries sometimes it even says 'KENT' for a change. Also I don't buy chicken when it says that it's been shipped from Poland. Don't people know we breed them here? 😉

wherearemychickens · 18/12/2019 23:35

Talking about chickens, I thought this was an interesting thread on eggs:

mobile.twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1196396122513776640

That's just one industry, with the potential for thousands of people to be significantly affected if we get this wrong. And we are opening up the potential to get this wrong on pretty much everything we trade.

Go us.

Peregrina · 18/12/2019 23:50

Eggs being contaminated with salmonella - so sad when we have made efforts to clean up our own industry.

dimsum123 · 19/12/2019 01:02

@Horsepants, the tiniest bit of research will show that we cannot produce enough food to feed our population. We will still have to import food. Only it will be a lot more expensive. But I guess that's still a win in your book. Hmm

ragged · 19/12/2019 06:33

Dunno why Devereaux1 posts if she doesn't enjoy the debate.
She had other choices. Hard to be bullied if you hide the thread.
Her side won, ffs.

Someone at work voted Leave coz he hates how immigration changed his community. Visible things like Romanian shop fronts & hearing Slavic languages in public spaces. I imagine there would be fewer jobs, people & public services in his town if the eastern Europeans never came. Yes house prices would be lower, but there'd be lower salaries, too, so no improvement in affordability. For every British-raised plumber struggling to match Polish plumber prices, there would be 40 fewer potential customer households for each of them. I keep trying to imagine what these communities would be like if the Eastern Europeans had never come?

Is there a case study of an economically declined town in Britain that never got Eastern European immigrants into it. Towns like Bognor Regis or Great Yarmouth, but without the Bulgarians, Polish, etc?

Parker231 · 19/12/2019 06:56

For the idiots who are saying they don’t care if the UK leaves with a no deal exit and therefore breakdown of the JIT supply chain - UK’s Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders warned that the cost to auto companies of one minute of stopped production time in Britain would amount to 54,700 euros (£50,000). I wonder how quickly these businesses would pull production from the UK?

chatongris · 19/12/2019 07:05

UK’s Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders warned that the cost to auto companies of one minute of stopped production time in Britain would amount to 54,700 euros (£50,000). I wonder how quickly these businesses would pull production from the UK?

I was in a conference with auto industry people last week. People are thinking that in a hard Brexit with the loss of JIT and a tariff on exported U.K.-manufactured cars, U.K. production lines producing lower margin vehicles (mass market non-luxury cars) will close between 2021 and 2023.

Parker231 · 19/12/2019 07:09

@chatongris - one of my friends works in JIT for the car industry and says the same. The industry can’t work without JIT and the losses will kill the industry and the jobs will leave the UK.

Horsepants · 19/12/2019 07:37

dimsum what about the money we lost giving it to Holland to help them and then also paying for imported goods from them so we paid twice and then uk businesses lost out yet again. UK managed years ago supplying the country with food and will again. It's just scaremongering.

SeaWitchly · 19/12/2019 07:40

I’m also looking forward to the Tories having to own the repercussions of their decisions without Labour, Jeremy Corbyn or the EU to blame Smile

Horsepants · 19/12/2019 07:41

wherearemychickens thanks for that info. Hopefully it'll better for our businesses. bunnyfuller just wondered where you are emigrating to?

Parker231 · 19/12/2019 07:53

@Horsepants

The UK is not self-sufficient in food production; it imports 48% of the total food consumed and the proportion is rising

Pumperthepumper · 19/12/2019 07:54

How is this UK managed years ago supplying the country with food any comfort? Genuinely, how do you see this as a good thing? How long ago did we supply the country with food? What’s years ago? What food? Where did we grow it? Why did we stop?

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dimsum123 · 19/12/2019 08:15

@Pumperthepumper, like every brexiteer, when they are asked for specifics about eg how we are going to feed our population with good quality affordable food post Brexit instead of parroted sound bites, they cannot answer or as always hark back to the rose tinted past of fiction.

We created a lot of wealth through trading with the empire and commonwealth. When that started to decline from around 1950s as our former colonies gained independence, we joined the EU which essentially replaced the commonwealth as our trading partners.

We are now attempting to go it alone, no trading partners, no EU, no commonwealth. It's not going to be pretty...

Bunnyfuller · 19/12/2019 08:19

Why are people genuinely thinking winding the clock back, in a world that will not, is a good thing?

We didn’t have cars years ago, and we managed. Yes, managed to walk everywhere and the poor very much stayed poor because they literally had no mobility.

The world has changed, industry has changed, how money works has changed, EVERYTHING has changed. Yes, we can certainly grow our own food. At a much higher cost. Much higher. And in limited varieties. Anything else we will still have to buy in, again at higher prices. UK inc will not be an attractive place to set up business, or come to work in. Which is fine, I guess, if you see immigration as the source of our woes. Unfortunately that piece of the jigsaw holds far more than the perceived negatives.

Farming, the service industry, manufacturing and the NHS are literally held together with immigrants. This food we’re going to grow - who will harvest it? Yes, UK natives USED to do this. But the cost of living and the way we live doesn’t support this any longer. British people don’t want to be out in a field, doing backbreaking work, in all weathers. They don’t want to clean toilets in hospitals, or be waiters, or work in a factory

This is the most frustrating part for me - people have voted to take our economy backwards, on a world stage that will continue to move forwards, without even a basic consideration to the consequences @Horsepants - it’s not scaremongering, it’s fact! 40% tariff on UK lamb, will start on Brexit Day. Will make British lamb unsellable on the world market. So UK farmers stop raising sheep (notoriously difficult to keep and get ill for no fucking reason at all) and so we will have to import it - at a higher cost because we don’t have the group buying power of the EU behind us! I live in a village which has 3 farms and they’re all looking at stopping - they just cannot make it work.

Yes, we ‘managed’ years ago - we also had higher death rates, poor access to healthcare for the poor, malnutrition and exploitation of the working classes - you want to go back to that?!

You can’t just roll back one bit, and keep the others parts rolling forward. Your ‘we used to’ thankfully moved forward, and the country with it.

Tell all the CEOs of the numerous large scale manufacturers who have decided to uproot to other countries due to the unattractive prospect we are post-Brexit they’re ‘scaremongering’.

Just because you don’t want something to be true doesn’t mean it isn’t.

Canada, to answer your question.

JassyRadlett · 19/12/2019 08:20

UK managed years ago supplying the country with food and will again. It's just scaremongering.

^^ Historically illiterate comment of the day winner. Quite impressive before 8am but hard to see what will top it....

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