What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

It might even be an England and Wales passport too.

Independent Scotland and my Scottish passport.

I found these for what it's worth. I've attached a chart from the last link (parliamentary report from several years ago).

www.nfuonline.com/back-british-farming/campaign-news/self-sufficiency-day-2019-coverage-and-impact/

earthbound.report/2011/07/28/how-self-sufficient-is-britain/

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmselect/cmenvfru/243/24305.htm

Having an EU passport allows access to pension schemes, educational opportunities at reduced individual cost, social benefits, social security, health care to hold elected office in an EU country, vote in local politicians and of course have representation in the EU parliament. Also more everyday things such as right to buy property and open bank accounts. Basically the right to make another country your home.

I am so depressed over this. Rather than taking back control, remainers have lost all control over our future lives in the UK, we are being dragged into the brexit quagmire against our will and will be made to suffer the dire consequences along with the Brexiteers who seem to actually want to bring hardship and misery onto themselves in the faint hope of a better future after they've passed away.

But why should I have to suffer too along with them when I've done nothing wrong and I didn't choose this?

It is so frustrating to be forced into and be stuck in this car which is heading for the nearest cliff and there's absolutely nothing I can do to get out of it.

Far from taking back control, for me it's a complete loss of control over mine and my family's future.

My feeling too, @dimsum123. My partner is not keen, but my 2020 resolution is to save up and skill up so we have the option to move, if necessary.

History of course shows that for centuries, all the way back to feudalism and beyond, no one ever, ever sat back and let others do all the work. That happened when the UK joined the EU.

What a load of cobblers. Happens all over the World everyday.

Remember when Cameron was voted in on the promise of fixing 'Broken Britain'. If you think he fixed it and not made it a whole lot worse then you're a total moron.

Oh yeh bloody Broken Britain he took it and dropped it on the floor from a height for good measure

@TheABC, good plan, I hope it works out.

We unfortunately are tied here until the DCs finish their education, so another 9/10 years.

After that we will definitely look to move, and hopefully the DCs will want to come too.

One of the best things about this country was the NHS, but once that's gone there really is no reason to stay, and that's quite apart from the damage that's going to be done by Brexit. The Tories were always planning to sell off the NHS, Brexit has just made it quicker for them.

The country is going to be even poorer once people start leaving. The only people left will be the Tories and the Brexiteers

@dimsum123, thanks.

The only people left will be the Tories and the Brexiteers

To be fair, I think the Tories and Brexiteers would be quite happy with that scenario.

I think Ireland (and later, Scotland if they achieve independence) will benefit greatly from Brexit. It could end up being an unintentional rebalancing away from England.

I'm quite looking forward to England being renamed Gilead - not!

I’ve been back through numerous Brexit threads and can’t find the so called wonderful reasons for leaving the EU - probably as they don’t exist whereas it’s easy to list the positive reasons for remaining in the EU as they are so numerous

Being the third largest contributor to the EU, but at same time have an ever increasing trade deficit with the EU (currently 64 Billion) is not a positive reason to remain in the EU.

By contract the UK has a trade surplus of 44 Billion with Non EU countries and does not contribute £50 million per day for the privilege of being able to trade with such countries.

Simple when you look at the numbers.

Perhaps the advantages/disadvantages depend slightly on what it is you want to trade and what the transport costs are...

The UK currently trades as part of the EU, so there is no simple way to predict what the trade balance will be once it starts to try and negotiate its own trade agreements with other countries, EU and non-EU.

Unfortunately @MysteryTripAgain doesn't understand that a trade deficit (in either direction) isn't of itself a bad thing. Also demonstrates a profound lack of understanding of what we got for £50 million. Bless.

A trade deficit doesn’t mean we’re 64 billion worse off MysteryTripAgain, it means we’ve bought more from them than they’ve bought from us.

The only people left will be the Tories and the Brexiteers

And mugs like me who for various reasons are unable to leave. It is shit, but it saddens me that people are gladly hoping things get worse for 'me'.

The UK currently trades as part of the EU, so there is no simple way to predict what the trade balance will be once it starts to try and negotiate its own trade agreements with other countries, EU and non-EU

Hahaha. Without realising it you have acknowledged that the outcome of Brexit cannot be known with certainty. However, for over 3 years 16.1 million people have claimed to have known what the future will be with complete certainty.

Impossible of course as same people would all be multi billionaires by know as they could clean up on the stock market everyday because they know; what the future holds, when share prices will rise and fall and hence when to buy and sell.

Hahaha. Without realising it you have acknowledged that the outcome of Brexit cannot be known with certainty.

Since my point was precisely that the exact trade figures cannot be predicted, far less based on existing ones, I was well aware that I was stating that the outcome is impossible to predict.

I'm not entirely sure why that makes you cackle, nor how it fits in with your peculiar argument that all those against Brexit were absolutely certain of its exact consequences and that the uncertainty of it all means they were therefore wrong.

We are constantly told that the Brexiteers knew exactly what they were voting for. It looks as though they can't know either, unless there are parallel universes one in which the future is predictable.

Mystery I’m not sure you know what you’re laughing at. If you voted based on the reasons you gave us, you have absolutely no cause to think anything will be better post-Brexit.

Just a few reasons for remaining in the EU - all things we will lose when we leave - perhaps leave voters could produce their list?

1. Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc with over 500 million consumers, representing 23% of global GDP
2. The UK has greater global influence as a member of the EU
3. The abolition of non-tariff barriers (quotas, subsidies, administrative rules etc.) among members
4. Participation in free trade agreements with Japan and Canada as an EU member
5. The EU accounts for 44% of all UK exports of goods and services
6. The EU accounts for 53% of all UK imports of goods and services
7. Cheaper food and alcohol imports from continental Europe
8. As a member of the EU the UK maintains a say in the shaping of the rules governing its trade with its European partners
9. 3.1 million jobs in the UK are directly linked to exports to the EU
10. Free movement of labour has helped UK firms plug skills gaps (doctors, nurses)
11. Free movement of labour has helped address shortages of unskilled workers (fruit picking, catering)
12. Access to the EU Single Market has helped attract investment into the UK from outside the EU
13. The UK’s net contribution to the EU budget is around €7.3bn, or 0.4% of GDP (less than an eighth of the UK’s defence spending)
14. British banks and insurance companies have been able to operate freely across the EU
15. Cornwall receives up to £750 million per year from the EU Social Fund (ESF)
16. Structural funding for areas of the UK hit by industrial decline (South Wales, Yorkshire)
17. Support for rural areas under the European Agricultural Fund for Regional Development (EAFRD)
18. EU funding for infrastructure projects in the UK including £122 million for the “Midlands engine” project
19. Financial support from the EU for over 3,000 small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in the UK
20. The right to reside in any EU member state
21. The freedom to work in 28 countries without visa and immigration restrictions
22. The mutual recognition of professional qualifications has facilitated the free movement of engineers, teachers and doctors across the EU
23. The Erasmus programme of university exchanges (benefitting 16000 UK students a year)
24. The freedom to set up a business in 28 countries
25. The ability to retire in any member state
26. Pension transferability
27. The right to vote in local and European Parliamentary elections if resident in any member state
28. EU laws making it easier for British people to buy property on the continent
29. The right to receive emergency healthcare in any member state
30. EU standards on the quality of drinking water
31. 13% of EU budget earmarked for scientific research and innovation
32. The UK receives £730 million a year in EU funding for research
33. Minimum paid annual leave and time off work (Working Time Directive)
34. Equal pay between men and women enshrined in European law since 1957
35. Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women
36. Rights to a minimum 18 weeks of parental leave after child birth
37. EU anti-discrimination laws governing age, religion and sexual orientation
38. EU rules governing health and safety at work
39. The rights to collective bargaining and trade union membership are enshrined in EU employment law
40. The UK enjoys an opt out from the single currency and maintains full control of its borders as a non-member of the Schengen area
41. Since 1985 the UK has received a budget rebate equivalent to 66% of its net contribution to the EU budget
42. The European common arrest warrant
43. A frictionless Irish border
44. The EU acts as a guarantor of the special status of Gibraltar

Oh Parker. What a fucking shambles.

Parker - we usually get told that they have already told us or just google it.

I will copy your list and keep it, thanks. If Leaver's want to call me a saddo, be my guest.

Don't fret Parker - my MP in Cornwall has promised he will get his government to replace the EU funding like for like.

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