Westminstenders: Election Special 3

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Which was why the BXP were sent to those seats. They knew lots of Lab voters cannot ever vote Tory.

Peregrina
interesting ....
it makes sense
jumping from one of the two to a minor party is easy
but all the way across the divide - when the two are SO far apart

This is the same argument for LibDems standing in places with Tory majorities - disaffected Tories can't vote Labour but might give the LibDems the vote, and thus let Labour in by the back door. The trouble was with Corbyn, that was too much of a threat.

Really though, Johnson owes Farage one, for helping him to win. Will he acknowledge this? I doubt it - I will enjoy a public spat between them.

I fret a bit about the influence SM has now.

MSM is majority pro Tory. Perfect storm as they say.

Peregrina I suspect the narrative of Labour voters --> Tory is very suspect.

I have an Eng. Lit. degree. Then did the Graduate Diploma in Law conversion course so I could re-train as a lawyer.

English degrees are tough going. Even for people who love reading they're bastard heavy on reading, what with also having to read round the subject. Not as tough going as the GDL though. That was HARD!

Galtieri kept refusing Reagan's calls and would not speak on the phone to Al Haigh, because he was 'tired.' Asked why he backed the UK not Argentina, Haigh said to Thatcher, "They're mostly drunk and you're mostly sober."

It was also a way for the Anglophile Cap Weinberger to get one over the loathed UN ambassador Kirkpatrick who was pro-Argie. He was even prepared to lend us an aircraft carrier. In return for his help, he was given an honorary knighthood, and was known thereafter in his circle as Knight-Cap.

In seats like Bolsover and Sedgefield, I also suspect it's to do with the older Labour voters dying off. Skinner himself was 87.

A little bit of mirth to bring a chuckle.

Our old friend Ash Sarkar is still the gift that keeps giving.

Corbyn May have brought us a defeat so bad that it even poisoned the Lib Dems- but Ash Sarkar is still willing to go out there and bat for Corbyn and the Corbyn Project:

From Twitter

Ash Sarkar
@AyoCaesar

'"Terrorist sympathiser" and "traitor" were, in lots of instances, code for "proximity to Muslims and migrants."'

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Honestly, I wish these people and their awful 'takes' would just disappear. They have contributed so much to the poisoning of news, truth and reality over the past few years in their desperate attempt to argue night is day and Black is white.

Below her timeline, there is a person saying, 'Erm, not sure the IRA stuff has much to do with Musljms'
And then another person chimes in with the (now familiar) line that Corbyn was actually the secret force behind the Good Friday Agreement.

And yet, apparently, it is working class people who are stupid for not voting for Corbyn????

Yep, just as the Pro-Corbyn students (really) do not remember the 70s before they were born, so the Tory-voting grandkids of miners and steelworkers surely do not remember the 80s.

(If you can remember the 80s, you weren't all there.)

I really, really wish these people would just congratulate themselves on having delivered a massive Tory landslide and just go away for a bit. ☹️

I work with a Corbynista - you cannot get them to accept any arguments against Momentum/Corbyn.

Hi
I've spent since Thursday night consoling ds1 who is utterly distraught.
He's 16 and has all the hopefulness of youth. Or he did have.
I feel for him. I remember well how I felt when Thatcher kept getting in. 1992 was a real kick in the teeth.
So I've been looking for the positives...

1. Farage is finished.
2. The DUP will never have so much power again.
3. Any erg member or brexiteer is in for a shock if they think boris will actually do as promised. Who knows what he will do now he isn't reliant on them?
4. Corbyn is leaving. Along with McDonnell.
5. The sun will still rise tomorrow.

^ that's all I could come up with.

I've felt pretty low since Thursday but I'm determined to enjoy xmas. I'll deal with 2020 when its here....

No., SwedishEdith. I know we joke that, 'it's like a cult.' But it is like a cult.

I'm a non-voting-for-Tory grandchild of a miner. I fully remember the 80s (the gdad wasn't around then). I'm even a boomer!

I work with a Corbynista - you cannot get them to accept any arguments against Momentum/Corbyn.

Precisely what Popper was talking about when he dismissed Communism because it was an idea that according to its proponents could not be falsified: If it failed, it wasn't True socialism, and if the workers rejected it, that was because they were the victims of false consciousness, the most insidious shitheap of an intellectual concept every devised.

But it is like a cult.

Completely. I've told them that after I got "you have to get behind the leader" - like Corbyn used to, of course.

Online grooming. But, it's worked (and was designed to work) in the same way as press anti-EU/Labour (regardless of leader) grooming.

It's why teaching critical thinking and discussion from an early age is so important. But you then have to strike the balance between critical thinking and not believing anything if it doesn't fit with your biases. We're all susceptible.

I'm a non-voting-for-Tory grandchild of a miner. I fully remember the 80s (the gdad wasn't around then). I'm even a boomer

We’re twins, Edith.

I'm a Gen X-er. Negotiating the slide between critical thinking and nihilism is pretty much my life.

It makes for a certain kind of mordancy* in my humour.

*some might say 'bleakness'.

Stinkyeddie
TBH I'd say to him

Corbyn has never and would never have achieved anything positive
Johnson has never and will never achieve anything positive
Greta has the answer - listen to the scientists and focus on the fight against climate change

By the way, I've just heard the interview McDonnell did (which Piggy referred to earlier).

In it, McDonnell comes out with the line: 'Labour could have won in 2017 ...'

What? What?

Labour could have won in the same manner as one might say, 'A meteor could have struck the Earth in 2017.'

Neither statement would be true. Neither would refer to a fact if event taking place in actual, material reality.

Are these people actually mad?

has anybody heard from @JustAnotherPoster00
as I'd like her to know that life will go on and some of Corbyn's policies and ideas were sound
and will be proved right in the long run (see history ad nauseam)

for that matter I hope that @squid4 is OK
because what just happened will not last 5 years

I was wondering how they were too but didn't want to pm them in case they thought I was being weird...