Westminstenders: Election Special 3

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Cat Yy I have just rejoined, thank you.

By the way, there's a protest going on in London against Johnson's election victory right now.

Of course there is. These people don’t understand democracy and elections, which is why they’re so good at losing them...

cat I agree, analysis also needed. That's going to mean focus groups, broad brush surveys, policy testing, etc. But none of it matters without a leader who can communicate and connect to the electorate.

I notice how Tories hate demonstrations, unless it is by their supporters

Jesus wept, Cendrillon - you're still lurking around? You've really got nothing else at all to do, nowhere to go, no-one to see have you?

It's genuinely pathetic seeing you just clinging on trying to get the last bit of goady excitement in your dried-up veins

derxa yup, I know about farming. I come from 10 generations of farmers. (o I know how bloody-minded they are!)

I was going to post something about why the Northern working class really aren't thick.

But Cendrillon has reminded me why I don't.

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Hope it's sunny next time you come to Exmoor born. unlike today, grim dark wet and cold after, as the BBC has been saying all day, Labour's worst defeat since 1987 that trip to Lynmouth sounds amazing!

Cundrillon if you think the media collusion that shaped the Torys' nasty election campaign was democratic, you're far thicker than you think many of us are

As a "polling believer" (god knows the range was wide enough) I guess I was less surprised than many ... and I acknowledge my fortune in having some remnant free movement rights and kids who are Brexit proof from the nationality point of view. (Am namechanger previously known as mistigri).

Was at a conference today with a large group of colleagues and work contacts, all fairly senior U.K. plc folks, Tory heartland people ... yet not a Tory voter in sight (or if they are, they are very very shy).

There seems to be some (unjustified IMO) optimism about a softer Brexit/longer transition but people are openly discussing the likelihood of auto plant closures now, and putting that in their scenarios.

People are enjoying their democratic right to protest? That’s literally democracy! What a brilliant system!

It seems I have to post a gloat warning on every thread.

As I said before, true statesmen and women (and posters) show grace and good sportsmanship.There have been some.

Winners (in any context) who gloat either :

1. Have nagging doubts that they didn't deserve to win, worries that they were wrong, a nagging voice saying that their 'prize' may be a mistake. OR

1. The tendency to be a gloating winner ( or a very sore loser) could be a narcissistic trait .... When narcissists win, "they might gloat excessively or act abusively to the losing party."

If you won a sports match you wouldn't hang out with the vanquished team...its rather weird.

Still I suppose a lot of politicians are narcissistic anyway.

I notice how Tories hate demonstrations, unless it is by their supporters

When have you ever seen Tories protest the day after an election result? We don’t, because we’re not pathetic little babies.

I’ve just been listening to Johnson’s speech from earlier today. I feel a bit queasy.

Well - as I have said elsewhere, I hope all those people who voted Brexit party, chose to vote Conservative for Brexit and didn't vote Labour get what they want from Brexit.

I hope they get improved schools, better results, decent infrastructure, housing, NHS hospital improvements, quality of life improvements, improved high streets and get their voice heard. I hope that Brexit and this Conservative Government does change their lives for the better.

I live near many 'Red wall' areas - and you can see the issues.

People want to be valued and taken seriously. Not used as pawns in someone else’s game. That’s it.
Unfortunately having decided that they had been taken for a ride, the electorate opted to be taken on another by Farage et al. And we are where we are.

Feel v low. Expected a Tory win but not this much.
Has there been any sight of just ?

Corbyn actually got more votes last night than Blair did in 2005.

But the UK's population has increased by 7 million in since 2005 so I'm not sure that means anything. It's along the same levels as "biggest vote in history" fact-bending that Brexiters use re the ref.

Paul Johnson of the IFS was saying today that a recession may be due as they come in cycles. And we have huge levels of personal debt.

Oh Sunny worth the terror for that chip shop in Lynmouth .

Re more votes - same argument used for success of privatised rail “more train journeys than ever before” well of course, there are more people.

Snap Edith! A recession must be coming in the next 5 years.

I was thinking about Just too, hope she is ok.

An excellent election post-mortem by Chris Grey. He outlines where Johnson may run into conflict with the ERG.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/

Cendrillon you just can't help yourself can you? FGS go away. Gloat in the Brexit Arms and add all your merry emojis. You got your result. No need to rub it in!

The post about keeping the pecker up resonated strongly. Whilst I voted remain, and voted labour, it's been so strongly polarised that those who voted to leave just wanted what they voted for done.
All of the rejecting of May's deal, god knows how many votes in the commons and remainer MPs acting in what they think is the interests of the people they represent - it all dragged on too long and left the door wide open for a finish it fast mandate.
I wrote to my (re-elected, labour) MP twice asking him to vote for May's deal, because it would have ended the vitriol around the leave voters voice being ignored, and was safe enough that we would have survived as a country.

Instead, we got fame hungry politicians wanting to right the wrong, and effectively tell those who voted leave they were wrong. This polarising has pushed those voters to act in the interests of the man who got a deal when everyone said he couldn't, who promises to roll out the money tree, and basically gave them soundbites they could get behind.
It was very telling that his response to winning was that he had pulled it off, and by mid morning said people were sick of hearing about brexit - everyone is sick of it, most of all those people who voted for it and have been denied what they voted for because others think they know better. I'm not saying that they don't know better, but the patronising of voters saying they didn't know what they were voting for further entrenched the view that they did and wanted it anyway - because some things are more important than the abstract idea of businesses closing and hospitals struggling, they aren't affecting them in the here and now, and it could have happened anyway.

Had the politicians get behind May's deal, this would never have happened because brexit would not have been so readily available to shove down people's throats and it would have been done. Until we can all learn to listen, try to understand, and accept others views without feeling the need to shout down why they are wrong, we will never move past the tories.

This morning I felt sad, then I felt a bit of relief - at least the angst over if we will leave will pass, it will be done, people's attention will turn to issues closer to home once the deed is done. It almost felt inevitable this morning, and honestly, I hope Johnson does a decent job and doesn't fuck the country up - possibly wishful thinking as it depends who is pulling his strings, but at least it will be on the tories now whatever happens. If they make a success of it then fair enough, if it all goes to shit then the blame is squarely at their feet.
Here's hoping for a decent Labour leader to be elected and keep Johnson on his toes.