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Brexit

Westministenders: Election Special 2

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RedToothBrush · 12/12/2019 23:33

Exit poll

Con majority of 68.

65 seats regarded technically as still too close to call. But that could mean an even bigger majority.

Blyth Valley has seen a 10% swing to the cons in line with the exit poll. 1st shock of the night

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tobee · 13/12/2019 03:22

Do you live in a mansion pretty?

BigChocFrenzy · 13/12/2019 03:22

Did Ruth Davidson really promise to skinny dip if the SNP got 50+ seats ?

In public ?

In winter ?

flouncyfanny · 13/12/2019 03:22

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wherearemychickens · 13/12/2019 03:22

Well, a cold dip is supposed to be good for your circulation.

tobee · 13/12/2019 03:23

Split screen on Sky with Corbyn speech and twat Johnson turning up for his result.

Hazardexhausted · 13/12/2019 03:23

Labour hold Selly oak

tobee · 13/12/2019 03:24

Corbyn going. At some point!

BigChocFrenzy · 13/12/2019 03:24

BBC Andrew Kerr@BBCandrewkerr

It’s tight here in East Dunbartonshire and not good for Jo Swinson.

They’re re-checking bundles and there has actually been talk of a re-count.

wherearemychickens · 13/12/2019 03:24

What would be something good to volunteer for? I've seen lots of people saying they won't any more in response to this, but I think I need to do more. Small acts of kindness.

What's the best way of doing that? Apolitically?

flouncyfanny · 13/12/2019 03:25

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/12/2019 03:26

BBC Andrew Kerr@BBCandrewkerr

Still not confirmed but it’s really looking like Jo Swinson has lost in East Dunbartonshire.

The Conservatives suggest the Labour vote has simply migrated over to the SNP.

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alliwantisagoodnightssleep · 13/12/2019 03:26

@tobee that could be anytime within the next 5 years but hopefully within the next 5 weeks. We need a decent opposition even if the numbers are stacked against them.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2019 03:26

Corbyn in 2017 represented hope for change. People thought he stood for challenging the Tories. It was the hope that motivated voters and mobilised them

He was percieved as indecisive and didn't really stand up against the Tories. He always failed to go for the obvious challenges against May when presented with them. He was like the striker taking a penalty and bottling it.

He had given remainers the impression he was on their side and he'd given leavers the impression he wanted to leave. But the lack of strategy and the late move to a half arse support for a ref pleased no one. So he lost support in both directions.

He couldn't pull the trick of going for the hope vote twice.

Meanwhile the Cons couldn't lose support in both directions due to Farage's strategic move. (Remember ukip didn't field candidates in a lot of seats too)

Thus huge losses in seats the brexit party stood - through votes for brexit party and labour not turning out. And losses in remain areas to the Lds.

And the Cons haven't been squeezed in the same way and Johnson still in something of a honeymoon period.

Corbyn didn't change, you are right. He should have. Instead he was a one trick pony who couldn't adapt for a second election and looked on the backfoot and lost control of the narrative. He didn't inspire a second time.

He should have gone after the last election, but the loss was viewed as a victory by his supporters and activists without thought about how he could extend his reach next time. This was ultimately the fatal flaw - flogging a dead horse. It was obvious he didn't have any further to get further traction. Those approval ratings were a bit of a hint, but the party was too caught in its own echo chamber and didn't want to face up to that reality. Instead the party looked inward and had an internal scrap over control of it. They should have been looking outward and taken criticism in good faith rather than merely being about internal factionalism.

Labour (and the LDs) have an issue with facing up to material reality in a few ways. Instead they have indulged fantasies every big as much as Johnson. Its just they lack self awareness of this.

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CendrillonSings · 13/12/2019 03:28

Laura Kuenssberg

@bbclaurak

Ken Livingstone tells PA 'It looks like the end for Jeremy. I'm sure he'll have to resign tomorrow' - he goes on to say 'The Jewish vote wasn't very helpful' which may well cause some eyebrows to shoot up

Boris now has an excellent track record of putting these kinds of Old Labour politicians out to pasture!

tobee · 13/12/2019 03:28

Johnson doesn't look that relaxed.

DeRigueurMortis · 13/12/2019 03:28

Corbyn won't continue as Labour leader

StraightenUpAndFryRight · 13/12/2019 03:28

Didn’t Amber Rudd have at least 3 recounts last time?

Dusty01 · 13/12/2019 03:28

Is Uxbridge about to be announced?

TheMustressMhor · 13/12/2019 03:29

Did Ruth Davidson really promise to skinny dip if the SNP got 50+ seats?

Yup.

I cannot wait to see this spectacle.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/12/2019 03:30

No surprise:

Corbyn says he will NOT lead party into next general election.
Question was only ever how soon after the GE he would step down

Dusty01 · 13/12/2019 03:30

Sky is not at all expecting Johnson to lose Uxbridge ... maybe there's no hope of that now.

tobee · 13/12/2019 03:30

Paddy Pantsdown never got to eat his hat

Hazardexhausted · 13/12/2019 03:31

160 spoilt votes in selly oak...wonder what they all said.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2019 03:31

If the North feel disenfranchised and unheard and are experiencing economic hardships, and it is the Conservatives who have been governing for the past several years, are they not responsible for the aforementioned disenfranchisement?

They have been represented by Labour and think they've done fuck all to change things both at local and national level.

In opposition they, in reality, don't have a huge amount of influence. And local budgets are effectively seat by Westminister policy and heavily are weighted against Labour councils.

So the blame is apportioned to Labour rather than where power lies.

Then add the north / south being resentment and the class issues within the Labour Party into the mix.

There is a deserve to change things and voting out your mp is the only way to express dissatifaction and frustration....

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