Brexit Arms: Election Night Lock-In

[GreenishMe]

Welcome to the Brexit Arms - it's going to be a stormy old night! We're about to be buffeted from right to left and back again with no real idea what the landscape will finally look like in the morning. All are welcome to weather the storm in the warmth and safety of the Arms - but please remember this a hospitable establishment so let's try and keep it that way.

We're kicking off the evening with our Back to the 70's theme night while we wait for the big main event to unfold. The juke box is loaded with all your 70's favourites. Feel free to dance round your handbags but please, no dancing on the tables…. this could be seen as having too much fun.

As always, we've got a nice big pot of PG Tips on the brew and Camp coffee by the mugfuls in addition to our usual alcoholic beverages.

On a serious note, we know that tonight's events are going to cause some upsets. With this in mind, the mint imperial bowls on the bar have been filled with Diocalms and we urge all our customers to make use of these. There should be enough to go round as long as nobody starts trying to stockpile. We simply cannot risk the need for plumbers to unblock our loos on Friday morning, as they could have been called out on strike by then.

Landladies on duty tonight will be:

20:00-22:00 Greenish (with Babychams, Cherry B's and vol au vents)
2200-midnight Twattage (with Classic Dmitris and cheeseboard)
Midnight-0200 Singing (with stiff brandies to calm the nerves, plus a selection of fresh nuts)
0200-0400 Hate (possibly with Albanian delicacies and a hangover cure)

We'd like to get the glitter ball turning with this absolute classic:

….fingers crossed similar scenes will abound in the Arms by the end of tonight. Enjoy!

P.s. When ordering drinks between 8pm and 10pm please supply your own drinks emojis. Thankyou!

That probably accounts for any confusion. The other Autumn was definitely cross with me.

Arf Boswell.

We all know dimtri has hot line to bellingsue.

I feel a bit sorry for Farage. Even the guardian has said its due to his stepping aside that Boris won.
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I'm raising a glass to Farage. Without him we would never be in this position. I'm also raising one to dmitri.

Someone just got told off for saying “bugger” on Sky News. Surely it’s okay at 10.30 pm?!

I've just popped in to tidy up behind the bar and it's deserted in here. I'm guessing you are all catching up on your missed sleep and/or still nursing your hangovers.

It's been a glorious Bright Blue Day, hasn't it? I keep grinning insanely when I think of that 80-seat majority. For the first time in nine years - nine years! - we have a government that is not in hock to anybody else. A strong government with a stonking great mandate.

Just went to see if I could buy telegraph and that cartoon wasn't in it singing...?

RaiseAGlass, the cartoon is from the Telegraph online so that might be why. I get the print edition too but haven't had time to read it today.

BoswellSolver, that's a cracking Venn diagram! Really made me laugh out loud. Mumsnet in a nutshell.

I'm trying hard to be magnanimous to those who are disappointed in the result - after all, we know a thing or two about feeling kicked in the stomach when your vote counts for nothing - but some of their threads make it really hard. There's one asking for opinions about who should be the next Labour leader; OP would like to see a woman take the job but "the gammons wouldn't like it". She's been picked up by others including me on the use of the insult but dismisses us airily with a hearty helping of patronisation thrown in for good measure.

They really don't get it, do they? Until they do, Labour will never again be taken seriously as a functioning political party. One half of me thinks "Great! We'll be in power for ten years, fifteen years, perhaps forever". The other half thinks, "FGS, we'll never have healthy democracy unless the Opposition gets its act together and starts looking like a credible government-in-waiting".

Anyway, enough musings for tonight. Tomorrow is the first full day of a new era. It's exciting. The Queen's Speech next week - the real one, a proper one - and then it's full steam ahead.

Sleep well, everyone. 😴 See you tomorrow!

I was just about to engage on a thread where someone is asking how so many Labour voters turned, but maybe I’ll just go to bed.

Yanis Varoufakis on Twitter also complaining about Little Englanders.

No wonder I haven’t done politics for three years, I’d forgotten how unpleasant it is.

Thanks Lily, good night.

The other half thinks, "FGS, we'll never have healthy democracy unless the Opposition gets its act together and starts looking like a credible government-in-waiting".

I think you're right Singing, and when "Get Brexit Done" starts to unravel, the opposition will be blamed. Them or the EU. Or both probably.

Morning, All!

I think the Landlady might still be sleeping the sleep of the just after hosting the Best Election Night for forty years. She deserves a lie-in. So I've taken the liberty of setting up the breakfast tray - it's on the bar, so help yourself - and as ever, the kettle's on.

Sorry I missed you, AutumnRose. We could have swapped a few anecdotes. A bit like others, I was at that stage where I was bone-tired but still running on adrenaline (and happiness) so I wasn't quite ready to sleep.

Morning, Catsingangs, and welcome to the Arms. ☕️ on the bar for you. I doubt very much whether we'll be blaming the Opposition for anything that happens in the first 100 days. There is no functioning Opposition. From my perspective as a staunch defender of democracy, that's a matter of sincere regret because our constitutional arrangements depend on having a functioning Opposition. Yet the truth is, the only reason why Theresa May, Spreadsheet Phil (remember him?) and their fractious band of dissenters on the backbenches were able to waste so much time taking the country on a 42 month tour of deadends and cul-de-sacs is because the Sainted Jeremy's ineptitude was greater than Theresa's ineptitude.

Everything has changed now. The Parliamentary arithmetic has changed. The ethos has changed. Hell's bells, the political alignment of the country has changed.

Boris and the team will - I hope - using the parliamentary equivalent of that JCB to bulldoze through the major planks of the manifesto while Labour squabble about Jezza's successor and the LibDems continue to be irrelevant.

There are some necessary tidying-up bills that still have to passed prior to 31 January so we can leave the EU legally and enter the transition. They couldn't be tabled before because they would have been used as wrecking procedures by the usual suspects. However, nothing to stop Boris now.

I'm betting now that the legislative timetable is already drawn up. This is a government that knows what to do. It's going to be fascinating to watch.

Kettle's on. ☕️☕️☕️☕️

Morning all. The labour post mortem continues, it’s literally all I’m seeing on most tv channels now. You’d barely know Boris had won a majority! I guess the Tories won’t mind as they can quietly get on whilst the media is navel gazing at what went wrong for labour. Does show how obsessed the media is around left wing views. It’s feels ingrained into bbc , channel 4 etc. I doubt most of the general public really care about labours internal battles they have voted now and labour wasn’t the choice.

Back to brexit, are MPs back to parliament next week then? Quite excited to see a new group enter and hopefully it will feel a different place with a majority and new speaker. Let’s hope some business can get passed before Xmas.

I keep thinking I’m going to wake up and find it was all a dream and actually Jeremy Corbyn is PM!

Brexit was labours downfall.
He wouldn’t stand by his leave voting areas ( vast majority labour ) Too busy trying to keep everyone happy by sitting on the fence. That didn’t work because people are fed up with it all and just want firm decisions one way or the other.

I guess this board will eventually be wrapped up and put in the mumsnet loft.
What will remainers talk about now?

Are you still going to call people Remainers once we leave?

I think these threads should continue, or shift focus onto a broader debate about what we want for the UK etc.
Brexit as a topic is done (Not the trade deals and the actual work the government needs to do but the public debate is over)
I think the next big thing is UK versus its nations. British identity.
Personally, the worst experience I had yesterday was talking to an EU friend living in Scotland. She told me I didn't belong in England because basically I'm 'too nice', that I might be British but never English and basically chose the wrong nation!
I'm a dual national myself. Came to the UK at 17 and lived in Scotland a few years then the rest in England. That was 23 years ago. I felt really hurt by those comments but it highlighted to me that the
perception of England is so negative and the cohesion of the union is the next big issue (on top of all the main topics like nhs, austerity, training the young etc).

Morning all

Have slept!!

Gina Miller she admits new plot to wreck Boris’ Brexit by halting his deal.

How?!

Why does she interfere with everything?!

If she wanted to be part of politics & therefore part of driving/effecting/scrutinising change, she should have stood for Election 🙄

I really hope that Labour do serious thinking over the festive season, and return to HoC with determination to (a) enlist the input of their more successful predecessors, like Alan Johnson and David Blunkett, and (b) willing to tackle some of the really heavy cross party lifting that needs doing on the UC fiasco, the NHS and social care. IMO, all three are too fundamental to be left to party spinmeisters.

YY to all of this

All over the news channels are hundreds of Labour MPs, ex-Labour MPs, life long Labour voters and undecided young people all saying they could have voted Labour but had to vote Conservative because of ... Corbyn.

How could the Labour leadership not have known this? They are still blaming it on Brexit.

YouGov did a survey yesterday Walking - this was the case for the majority of non labour voters, including labour defectors

Everything has changed now. The Parliamentary arithmetic has changed. The ethos has changed. Hell's bells, the political alignment of the country has changed.

True dat!

Everything has changed!!

It's exciting!
Feels like '97 all over again 😍

Shame I'm incapable of partying like it's 1997 anymore 😩

I think these threads should continue, or shift focus onto a broader debate about what we want for the UK etc.
Brexit as a topic is done (Not the trade deals and the actual work the government needs to do but the public debate is over)
think the next big thing is UK versus its nations. British identity.

Me too

Was also talking to a couple of pals in Scotland yesterday - both Indy supporters

I get it, Scottish independence to them is like Brexit was for me, but my gut emotional feeling is that I don't want the UK to break up. I could argue the toss about economy etc but it all pretty much boils down to self determination in the end (just like Brexit).

I don't know enough about the different options surrounding devolution vs complete independence to have an informed opinion, but I'm wondering if a way forward might be for England to have its own parliament (as the other 3 do) and restyle WM as a place that focuses only on the big overarching stuff like Defence & foreign policy?

(Just an incoherent idea, not really thought through at all...!)

Gina Miller still thinks she can stop brexit?

Bless her.

Morning everyone, thanks for the '' spread '' singing.

I'm still feeling elated but as pp noted I'm not getting that sense of elation anywhere expect piers Morgan breakfast show!

I've never really liked the man but he's been doing a sterling job in saying what everyone thinks to democracy hijackers in Parliament.

He claims to be a remainer as well 😁👏👏🍾🍾🍷🍷.

Looking back I think the so called '' scorched earth '' approach was so clever. It proved they would be the team to... GBD. And act in decisive way.
Very clever. Built up that trust, no more wishy washy, I'm not going to commit.

I wonder if this is the right time or whether we should have had Boris immediately after ref?

Rumours on twitter jess Philips or Emily thornberry want to stand as leader 🙄🙄🤔🤔

Interesting comments from macron as well.... If they are true they are quite astonishing... What a turn around.

Morning folks!

I was out at a retirement party last night, I knew one of the ladies there was a big Boris supporter, so I wandered over to her, clinked glasses and said, "To Boris and Brexit!" She joined in, then so did the group next her, and the group next to them! Had a big chat with lots of people about how fantastic the result was

I've got quite a lot on today, but will catch up with the rest of the thread later.

Feeling elated that democracy has triumphed.

HoC, Labour and Lib Dems were ALL roundly punished for ignoring democracy and trying to thwart Brexit. Craven politicians the lot of them - delighted to see Dominic Grieve lose his seat: others such as Phil Hammond and John Bercow were too cowardly even to stand. They knew they were being anti-democratic, but they didn't care and did it for selfish, arrogant reasons. Ugh. Good riddance.

Meanwhile Labour was hammered for two main reasons - its unpleasant, creepy leadership that noone trusted (Corbyn and McDonnell) and its pro-remain, pro-2nd referendum stance which blatantly rejected the millions who voted Leave.

When I said on many previous MN threads that I thought ignoring the Brexit result was undemocratic, I was told many times that I didn't understand democracy....? The gaslighting, the belittling, the abuse, the supercilious attitudes from Remainers - just beggared belief. It made me fearful actually.

But I feel more hopeful now.

MamaMary

Exactly.

Does anyone else look at the Opinium logo and finding their brain singing DOMINION a la Sisters of Mercy? 😳

Sorry, I’m not really political enough to be in here am I.

Dusty, 1997 was my first election and I was so excited for Tony Blair. Seems so weird now.