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Brexit

Has everyone applied to remain in the UK if you're not a UK citizen?

55 replies

Alrighteo · 02/12/2019 18:02

Just wondering whether you have all applied to remain and how that went, or whether you'll be making alternative arrangements post Brexit?

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Alrighteo · 02/12/2019 20:23

Nobody? All UK citizens here? Interesting.

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 02/12/2019 23:05

Why is it interesting

iwantavuvezela · 02/12/2019 23:10

I do. I had indefinite leave to remain, but I decided to apply for citizenship as my children and husband all had British passports. I was worried that the rules might change, and I might have my rights to stay here taken away. I want the ability to travel in my retirement in and out of the Uk and not have to worry about not been allowed to, especially as I expect my children will live here..

Alrighteo · 02/12/2019 23:38

It's interesting that not one MNer has had to apply...

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 03/12/2019 08:28

Yes but why is it interesting

What’s interesting about it

Plus the lack of replies doesn’t mean that no MNer has needed to reply

It might be they can’t be arsed to reply or that theyve hidden the brexit board,

If its any help there was a thread a few months ago and That had some people on it that had applied to remain...that might be searchable

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 03/12/2019 08:29

And there is iwant obviously

Apologies iwant i was just focused on my post Smile

PlanDeRaccordement · 03/12/2019 08:31

I am back in France so no need for me.
It is only EU citizens that Brexit impacts anyway. Every other immigrant doesn’t have to do anything extra to stay postBrexit other than the visas they have to get anyway.

PaddyF0dder · 03/12/2019 08:35

It’s hilarious how the OP thinks that no replies in 2 hours is indicative of something.

catlady3 · 03/12/2019 08:36

No, they haven't. There are estimates available on this from the 3Million / Settled etc. Very easy to google. It's a massive problem and was completely avoidable, and yet, Britain chose to do this to people and generate the potential for a new Windrush scandal. I'm sure that's what people voted for...

Autumntoowet · 03/12/2019 08:36

Well it doesn’t mean all MNers are UK. Simply that people have replied.I applied for citizenship instead.

PlanDeRaccordement · 03/12/2019 14:02

Britain chose to do this to people and generate the potential for a new Windrush scandal. I'm sure that's what people voted for...

Brexit was not necessary for requiring the registering of settled EU nationals within a EU member state. Many EU member states require registration and residency applications for EU nationals that are not citizens of that member. We used to require it within 3 months of coming to France. Spain still requires it. It’s not something that requires a vote.

Alrighteo · 03/12/2019 14:04

I suppose I'm wondering whether there are some who haven't done anything about it yet and what will happen to them post Brexit. I suppose all employers will be asking for right to remain/work proof for all its EU citizens post Brexit as obviously their passport would have been sufficient up until now. Is it expensive or just bureaucratic? What do you need to get right to remain/citizenship?

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Parker231 · 03/12/2019 19:19

Already have indefinite leave to remain. Don’t want UK citizenship so hopefully it’s enough.

BeardedMum · 03/12/2019 19:24

I haven’t applied yet. I thought I had to apply by end of 2020 or something. Not too worried either way.

Puffthemagicdragongoestobed · 03/12/2019 19:28

EU citizen here. Applied for permanent residency early last year which came through within less than 3 weeks. Naturalised a year ago, application was pretty smooth and quick.
I decided to naturalise because I do not trust the settlement scheme. It is more restrictive in that it only allows up to 2 years out of the country and then resets the timer. Also, I want to take part in general elections and referenda, having experienced not having a say in the Brexit referendum which had a huge impact on me and my family.

Peachi82 · 03/12/2019 19:54

Also EU citizen here. I got permanent residency in 2017 and just finished my naturalisation, so I am a dual national now.
I did it because I don't trust the settled status and I want to freely move between my home country and here for the rest of my life.
Also, I never want to live in a country where other people can decide over my direct fate and I don't have a voice.

It is true that other EU countries also require a registration, I however think that there are more efficient and cheaper ways to aquire this registration than in the UK.
I have sent tons of paperwork for my permanent residency and the same ton plus even more for my citizenship application. I think overall, including travel, postage, test fees, books for the tests, a few months comprehensive sickness insurance as I was between jobs, passport pictures, special delivery envelopes, I don't know what else, I might have spent over £3000. I don't really want to think about what nice things I could have done with this kind of money.

Alrighteo · 03/12/2019 19:57

Thanks for the replies. I wonder whether there are relatively poor EU citizens who won't be able to afford to protect their status?

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Puffthemagicdragongoestobed · 03/12/2019 22:18

Settled status only costs £65, and from what I can remember the government said they were going to waive the fee. Getting naturalised is optional, settled status allows people to live in the UK.

Greykitten · 03/12/2019 22:34

Settled status doesn't cost anything, in theory, but people without access to the right sort of phone, or without machine readable ID, may have to make multiple trips to council offices to sort it out.

But the bigger problems will be the people who don't realise it applies to them (older people in the U.K. for décades, travellers, young care-leavers) or those who are not able to make an application (elderly people in care homes, the learning disabled, those with serious illnesses).

Once the grace period ends, these people don't just become undocumented, they become illegal immigrants subject to removal.

catlady3 · 03/12/2019 23:48

"Brexit was not necessary for requiring the registering of settled EU nationals within a EU member state. Many EU member states require registration and residency applications for EU nationals that are not citizens of that member. We used to require it within 3 months of coming to France. Spain still requires it. It’s not something that requires a vote."

No, but Settled Status is not just about registration, is it now. It strips people of rights. And without Brexit, that would not have been possible. Same issue for Brits in the rest of the EU btw., so overall, we're talking about approximately 5 million affected. Congrats.

PlanDeRaccordement · 04/12/2019 05:46

Catlady,
Non. Settled status is how a UK resident EU National asserts and preserves their rights in the U.K. post Brexit. Settled status does not “strip people of rights.”

And Brexit was about registration because the “open borders” myth was built on the true fact that “government doesn’t even know how many immigrants are here because we don’t register EU nationals”
This was a key issue that helped swing the Brexit vote to the Leave outcome. If the U.K. had been registering EU nationals all along, the open borders myth would have not been so strongly believed.

Greykitten · 04/12/2019 07:08

Settled status is not a registration process but an application process.

And although the application does not in itself strip people of rights, their rights under settled status will be reduced post-Brexit.

This is especially true of the million-odd people (about a third of applicants to date) who will be granted pre-settled status and whose rights are significantly degraded.

BeardedMum · 04/12/2019 07:40

I feel that the settled status might mean different things under different government. It will be the next campaign for Farrage post Brexit. Too many people with settled status. Let’s make them second class citizens and remove access to NHS etc I can see the Daily Mail headlines already.

WeshMaGueule · 04/12/2019 09:25

Brit in France, applying for French nationality after over twenty years. It's a massive, expensive PITA.

WeshMaGueule · 04/12/2019 09:26

There's an interesting article on problems with settled status in this week's Private Eye if you're really concerned about the potential issues OP.

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