Has everyone applied to remain in the UK if you're not a UK citizen?

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Just wondering whether you have all applied to remain and how that went, or whether you'll be making alternative arrangements post Brexit?

Wesh cheeky request but could you do quick summary for those who aren't private eye subscribers?

To add that I applied for naturalisation (expensive yes but mainly the amount of paperwork and exams needed I don’t think most people can do this on their own) because
A) my country allows double citizenship so I was allowed to keep it. I did not want to give my EU passport in a million years
B ) I do not trust the settle status. I can see how unstable the conditions are. So when they say “right to work” I think ok, but would it be a case of first employing British people (when I worked in US my boss had to prove and confirm no US citizen could do my job so they had to bring me in) I can guarantee that after my career “break” (maternity leave and reduced hours) I am no longer so “unique”
I have already experienced and seen how non British people never climb the career ladder in my industry (head of departments, managers...) and I wanted to be sure I will indeed have the same rights.
Although of course my accent is pretty hard to disguise.

Many of my friends are from EU countries that don’t allow double citizenship and therefore are applying for settled status. But I worry for them. I don’t trust a government that is talking years to get an agreement to hold up the end of the bargain.

I haven’t applied yet. I thought I had to apply by end of 2020 or something. Not too worried either way.

When you say you're not too worried, do you mean it wouldn't bother you if you were booted out?

greykitten there are an estimated 4 million EU nationals in the UK, official figures are an underestimate. So far 2.4 million have applied for settled status, of which 40% have been given pre-settled status, many wrongly. They have to reapply after five years and cannot appeal. Campaign group Migrant Voice found one in three people haven't applied because they (rightly!) fear the Home Office would mess up their application. There's a huge backlog and somewhere between 5 to 10 percent of vulnerable applicants, 200,000 to 400,000 people, will have difficulty with the process. The govt has allocated 9 million quid to help the vulnerable, which includes people like victims of trafficking and the elderly, but this won't go nearly far enough and people will face deportation if they don't apply by June next year (or December if there's a no-deal Brexit in the interim). CAB won't be able to cope.

Thanks wesh. It's good private eye is talking about it (because the uk press is otherwise ignoring this) but none of that is new to anyone who has been following closely.

I've predicted on here before that the outcome of the settled status process will dwarf the Windrush scandal and I see no reason to revise that opinion - the very high number of applicants receiving pre-settled status (often in error) is a particular concern because it makes people very vulnerable to losing their status permanently.

I'm also very curious about how people with settled status are going to provide evidence of their status at the U.K. border, if reports about the government introducing an ETIAS type system are true.

Yes nothing fundamentally new there, I agree.

I did... but I now have dual citizenship, too.

Probably needs it's own thread but talking yesterday to British in Europe with teenage kids who were born in the U.K. but who have spent almost all their while lives in Europe. Can't get dual citizenship via their parents (because they will turn 18 before the parents' nationality application is granted) and can't get it in their own right while they are students, because they are not self-supporting.

Really shit for these kids ... could end up being unable to live in the countries where they grew up. A lot of parents wondering whether their kids can go to study at UK universities without losing their residency rights.

Yes I have appLied for SS as soon as I could so still in beta stage which was, in retrospect a really good idea as you could get an answer every quickly when you had to submit new evidence etc...

I can’t say it has made any difference to me. As far as I am concerned, I still have no material proof o can stay in The U.K.. Laws can be changed at the drop of the hat so no certainty there as far as I am concerned either. Esp when there has been some LAWS that have already been signed regarding EU citizens and severely restricting our rights to be self employed or manage a company in a No Deal case. (That means I would have no work btw and no way to sustain myself. Yay....).

Brexit was not necessary for requiring the registering of settled EU nationals within a EU member state. Many EU member states require registration and residency applications for EU nationals that are not citizens of that member
That is true BUT in other EU states, people get a card/physical proof they can stay and they dint have to agree that their data can be given to anyone the HO decides to give it to, incl selling, wo any rights on our side as EU citizens.
Plus registration and SS are two different things and other immigrations laws means that you aren’t worried to be kicked out of the country if you are married to someone from that country (or have children living there). Aka no one would worry about being kicked out in France if they have a french partner and children. Whereas settled statu here is only linked to one person. Whether you are married to a brit, have BRITISH children etc... is just not taken into account. (Not sure how BRITISH people are happy to accept that if they were EU citizens rather than BRITISH, they would get more right regarding immigration rights for their partner but hey ho)

Brit in Europe and have applied for and been granted citizenship here (actually did it before the first Brexit deadline in March). This country bent over backwards to prioritise Brits doing this to get their citizenship fixed before 29th March.

Didn't cost too much, but for a family of four around €1,200 in total that we could probably have better spent elsewhere.

Went out with a now retired colleague last night. His German wife has been in the U.K. since the 1970s - she has spent almost her whole working life here and is now retired on a U.K. pension.

She hadn't applied for SS and won't until things become clearer - worried about giving her data to the U.K. government. They want to move back to Germany but the portability of social security and pension rights is a big issue for them (they both have an EU citizenship so FoM is not a problem for them).

@chatongris I'd recommend that you urge your former colleague's wife to reconsider, and quickly.

Germans can only have dual nationality with another EU country.

If she gets her British passport before we Brexit she can keep both. If she wants it later then she will have to give up the (very valuable) German one.

The arguments about giving the govt her data are lunacy. If she has worked here for 40 years and is on a state pension THE GOVERNMENT HAVE ALL HER DATA.

What on earth does she think they are going to ask her on the SS form - her preferred sex position? Her HIV status?

Applied for settled status in the Beta phase, paid, got refunded. Me and DDs all have it now.

I will not ever apply for citizenship because I'm from the Netherlands, which doesn't allow dual nationality. If things look like going properly tits up in the UK, I have the financial wherewithal to just up and leave. All three of us are planning to leave the UK eventually in any case, once the DDs have completed their education. We don't feel welcome in the UK any more, especially after last Thursday.

Nope. Irish here

Same here @pointythings

What a change to 20 years ago when I arrived though. In those days (that makes me feel really old lol), the difference was valued and people were welcome. No one ever made me feel uncomfortable about my grammar mistakes or my accent. No one commented on it either.

Nowadays, it’s a different story. The looks if I speak my mother tongue to the dcs in public

CanIHaveADrink I have been here over 22 years. I've been bilingual to native speaker standard for 41 years so people who meet me don't have a clue. Which means I get to listen to the most horrible xenophobic utterances you can imagine - because of where I live, it's very Brexity - until I mention that I'm an EU immigrant, whereupon I get the 'Oh, but we don't mean you.'

It's sad to see what the UK has become. And none of it is actually down to the EU.

Oh yes the week don’t mean you’.
That includes my PIL spouting the same crap in front of me and the dcs.

Very Brexit land here too (and conservative to boot)

Pointythings, I think the Netherlands recently made an exception allowing Dutch in UK to have dual nationalty. I don't want to get British citizen ship anyway but one of my family memberss sent me a link or something

hopeless I've just looked that up and blimey, that is recent! But we don't want UK citizenship. We'd rather leave.

Dh wouldn't want to leave, so when the deadline is near I will probably apply for settled status, although I think I applied many years ago for indefinite leave to remain. Not sure where I can find out,/proof it

hopeless back in 2016/17 that would have been my issue too. But then my marriage broke down (his alcohol addiction), he died and now it's just the girls and me. Silver linings.

My mum got indefinite leave to remain back in the 70s so she hasn't done anything and that worries me. Will that still count?

My boyfriend did his in June and it took four weeks to come back. He is however worried about the five yearly review so he has started the process to gain citizenship. Luckily he can do this as his birth country allow dual citizenship.