Westminstenders: Frozen

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Boris Johnson was empty chaired by C4 with a block of ice.

The Conservatives went mental and have threatened to look at C4 broadcast remit.

This is illiberal and anti democratic.

Journalists are supposed to hold power to account on behalf of the public. If MPs don't turn up then they can't be held to account.

They have a duty to show. It's not good enough to avoid scrutiny because it might make you look bad. That's the whole point.

The contempt with which Johnson holds the press and public is reprehensible and you should be concerned whatever your political alligence. It allows corruption to fester without consequence.

And to then threaten C4 because they do their job in line with their responsibility as a broadcaster is alarming.

This is how authoritarian dictators work.

Placemats - yes I agree - this is down to the government not addressing an issue which people in the know (those dratted experts!) told them was coming down the line. While at the same time destroying the probation service, which was until quite recently by all accounts one of the most functional parts of the criminal justice system.

Regarding the Death Penalty.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32061822

Part of the problem, according to Yvette Cooper is the abolition of IPPs. This guy got an IPP sentence which meant he should have been kept inside for the who of his sentence. The Tories got rid of them.

IPPs? No, me neither. From the Ministry of Justice:

Imprisonment for Public Protection (IPPs) were created by the Criminal Justice Act 2003 and started to be used in April 2005. They were designed to protect the public from serious offenders whose crimes did not merit a life sentence.

Opps meant to add this.

A breakdown of those who support political parties. No surprise, or maybe a surprise for some, I'm not going to presume, the majority of Conservative voters backed the Death Penalty.

news.sky.com/story/most-conservatives-support-death-penalty-poll-reveals-11194549

Thanks for the clarification Alsohuman

That's very interesting and further adds to the debate. Is Johnson aware of this? Does he care?

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Just a reminder that Andrew #Marr had the launch party for his 2014 novel 'Head of State' at...10 Downing Street.

These people are meant to hold politicians to account, not ask them for favours.

And now this is the person interviewing PM Boris Johnson?

#GE2019

Placemats, do you not think there is an argument that social attitudes may have become less liberal since 2015?

One of the heroes of yesterday's attack was a convicted murderer, also out of prison on licence. If twitter is to be believed, he took a narwhal horn hanging on the wall of the conference venue and pursued the knife-wielding terrorist with it. A big chunk of the U.K. population would have voted to kill him instead of rehabilitating him.

It was the Polish chef who used the Narwhal tusk. Obviously an immigrant from the EU.

But I do get your point regarding the convicted murderer who helped held the convicted terrorist down. He was on a day release from prison. The family of the woman he murdered has said he was no hero.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/london-bridge-hero-murderer-day-17341996

It was the Polish chef who used the Narwhal tusk. Obviously an immigrant from the EU.

Who do they think they are coming over here and saving peoples lives

I hope that Andrew Marr realises he is going to be judged himself this interview and his style will be picked over.

I don’t suppose Marr gives a shit.

Part of the problem, according to Yvette Cooper is the abolition of IPPs. This guy got an IPP sentence which meant he should have been kept inside for the who of his sentence. The Tories got rid of them.

"In 2012, the sentence was abolished under the Coalition government thanks to a European Court ruling that claimed it violated human rights."

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/08/im-blame-blunketts-indefinite-prison-sentences-and-thousands-still-locked

"Having been amended in 2008, in 2012 the sentence was abolished. It was accepted by Justice Secretary Ken Clarke that the sentence was fundamentally unfair in principle and unworkable in practice."

https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/centres-institutes/centre-criminology/blog/2016/11/indeterminate-sentencing-injustice-and-dangerous

"The European court of human rights has ruled "arbitrary and unlawful" the operation of indeterminate sentences for the protection of the public (IPPs), currently being served by more than 6,000 prisoners in England and Wales."

"The new justice secretary, Chris Grayling, told MPs he was disappointed by the judgment, and intended to appeal against it. He said: "It is not an area where I welcome the court seeking to make rulings.""

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/law/2012/sep/18/strasbourg-judges-indeterminate-sentences-unlawful

Looking at placemats link to the 2015 BBC article on whether voters are in favour of a return of the death penalty, I remembered that poll. And thought "thank god!" But if it was put to a referendum, certain quarters and a large part of the national press, would potentially be in favour of a return, and would gear up to change peoples minds, if they thought it was politically expedient to do so etc.

What were the numbers for leaving the eu before the campaign started?

Oh and I hope the BBC are forced into a climb down re Andrew Marr interview versus Andrew Neil.

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

The ECHR (European Convention/ Court of Human Rights) has nothing to do with the EU. It is a separate entity entirely.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

Chris Grayling couldn't be arsed to do anything about it.

It's interesting that the Government choose to spend money on the legality of how it would drive through the result of the 2016 referendum result.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(Miller)_v_Secretary_of_State_for_Exiting_the_European_Union

Actually reading that link re bbc complaints, I think that's not going to be speedy enough. Perhaps anyone interested in complaining should use Twitter? I'm not on Twitter myself

I seem to remember that Cameron said he had been told only about 25% wanted to leave. That was why he thought it was safe to have the thing in the first place.

17,410,742 (the actual number who voted to leave) out of a bit over 65,000,000 is about 27%, isn't it? So the information he had was correct, just completely wrong because it didn't take into account such things as people under eighteen, and people who had a vote and didn't use it.

Interesting comment Asking

I complained to the BBC the old way anyway. Not exactly holding my breath

tobee there are thousands of negative comments about the BBC on twitter, many from political commentators and MPs, 'Marr' is trending and not for good reasons. The BBC will be in no doubt that their reputation is seen by many to be on a downward slide.

Gabor Maté on the misuse of anti-Semitism and why fewer Jews identify with Israel

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=8TBBhPUwrCU&feature=emb_logo

Of course their are negative comments Violet. I hope people on here will add to those.

Condemning yesterday's attack and praising emergency services and passersby, but also deploring the BBC change of heart re are not mutually exclusive. Unless you're very hard of thinking, exclusively following the No.10 narrative, never questioning your own conclusions.