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Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...? Part deux GE 2019 special.

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placemats · 03/11/2019 17:54

New thread.

General election 12th December 2019. Results out on Friday 13th. Unlucky day for some.

So this election is unusual in that it will focus primarily on Brexit and referendums with domestic issues tagged alongside, for some parties.

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thecatfromjapan · 05/11/2019 17:35

Dusty01 ☹️ I've been out canvassing too. I'm finding that people are angry, and want to explain how angry they are, and to have someone listen.
I find that, when I listen, and sympathise, they're less angry and are preparing to vote to stop Brexit (Labour in our area).

I don't know if you'll find that reassuring.

thecatfromjapan · 05/11/2019 17:36

Placemats Sending you love. 💐

Mistigri · 05/11/2019 17:36

@thatginamiller
As GE campaigns kick off what's happening on the ground being ignored e.g this week, Jaguar Land Rover won't produce a single car. Last week BMW in Oxford didn't work Thurs night & Fri shifts. Toyota's Burnaston factory closed on 1 Nov.

Mistigri · 05/11/2019 17:39

Quite a few years ago Guto Bebb was involved in a small business mentoring scheme in my area, teaching people the basics of business, I did nothing but argue with him but he was a very genuine and sincere guy

I really like reading stories like this, especially about people's political opponents. I think it's good to hear about candidates' human side. It does sound like Bebb has a genuine commitment to public service and it's a shame he's going.

Mistigri · 05/11/2019 17:42

we are all in party political broadcast mode

What a weird take, when Poster and I (both Labour voters!) are discussing the merits of politicians who are currently Conservative MPs.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 05/11/2019 17:45

Misti Grin

prettybird · 05/11/2019 17:47

My friend and her dh are both medics in North Wales and said Guto Bebb was very supportive. The fact that he was also a Welsh speaker also went down well. (Not that either of them are Welsh speakers).

Mistigri · 05/11/2019 18:07

Oh my word ... listen to this.

Andrew Bridgen defending Mogg by telling a journalist that people did indeed die in the Grenfell fire because they were not as clever as the mewling pencil Shock

twitter.com/engineer4eu/status/1191773678767394818?s=21

IgnoranceIsStrength · 05/11/2019 18:14

Mistigri I just clicked onto this thread hoping someone else had heard that awful interview. What JRM said was bad enough but to actually justify it by saying he is clever and shouldnt politicians be clever (and by default people in grenfell were not clever) was horrendous. My jaw genuinely dropped

prettybird · 05/11/2019 18:23

They might have high IQs Hmm or rather expensive educations, not the same thing at all Wink - but they prove time and time again that they have no emotional intelligence. Sad

Not Arguably a more important attribute required in competent leaders for a caring and successful society.

Icantreachthepretzels · 05/11/2019 18:26

Andrew Bridgen defending Mogg by telling a journalist that people did indeed die in the Grenfell fire because they were not as clever as the mewling pencil

And Andrew Bridgen has now replaced JRM as No 2 on trending... so who's now going to step in and defend Andrew Bridgen?

Ellie56 · 05/11/2019 18:28

They are not clever. They just think they are. Stupid arrogant twats who are totally out of touch with the real world and real people.Angry

Hoooo · 05/11/2019 18:30

Venal motherfuckers

thecatfromjapan · 05/11/2019 18:34

Emma Burrell
@EmmaBurnell_

'So far, Labour seem to be running a 'Tories are bastards' message and the Tories a 'Damn right we are' one.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/11/2019 18:38

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

Andrew Bridgen:
“[JRM’s intelligence] That’s a by-product of what Jacob is.

And that’s why he’s in a position of authority.
What he’s actually saying is that he would have given a better decision than the authority figures who gave that advice.”

Right...

So according to Andrew Bridgen JRM would have made a better decision than both the members of the public in the building and the fire fighters at the scene
because he’s “an authority figure” and “clever.”

There are many extraordinary/fascinating things about that interview.

One is Bridgen’s complete deference to JRM and his authority and intellect despite some considerable evidence to the contrary today.

Voice, breeding and background still count for so much in England.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 05/11/2019 18:42

I’m finding Jo Swinson extremely smug and annoying.

Grinchly · 05/11/2019 18:43

Bridgen really is very stupid. With time, even he may seem like a starry intellect given what might happen next.

I use his infamous interview about Ireland on my media training courses. Can't link, maybe someone can - where he appears to imply that English people are entitled to Irish passports. It was coming up to the hour, and he ran away and didn't come back.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/11/2019 18:44

Tory dirty tricks - Do NOT trust their videos, incl of BBC Angry

Daniel Sandford@BBCDanielS

So this happened.
The Conservative Party took an interview from @GMBthis morning.

They edited it to add on the last shot in which Keir Starmer looks stumped.

But that didn't happen
In the original Keir Starmer immediately answered @piersmorgan's question.

Conservatives@Conservatives

WATCH:
Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit Minister can't or won't answer a simple question about Labour's position on Brexit.

Hoooo · 05/11/2019 18:45

Bridgen has large majority sadly

Dusty01 · 05/11/2019 18:48

That is reassuring The Cat.

It’s the first time I’ve ever canvassed. I listened too and then was able to talk/convince a bit. All the stuff I’ve read on here helped a lot.

Hopefully I’ll get better at it.

Alsohuman · 05/11/2019 18:49

The Tories are certainly supplying Led By Donkeys with a wealth of material. Isn’t it time for another Trump intervention?

tobee · 05/11/2019 18:49

Do you remember, not that long ago, although a week is a long time in politics, everyone was saying that the extremes in the two main parties meant that the parties were going to split? And people were betting which party was going to split first, Labour or the Tories? Neither of them have! To any great extent.That's part of the problem!

I suppose they will never think it's worth it while there's fptp. Confusedspeaking as an ex Labour member voted to keep FPTP

Icantreachthepretzels · 05/11/2019 18:50

If JRM was in a fire he'd wet his Eton issue bloomers and wait for Nanny to take control. Andrew Bridgen would not fare much better.

But that's neither here nor there.

What these men don't seem to understand is: People are not stupid for following fire brigade advice - and that isn't because they are weak, or lack authority or are naturally meek little followers, it is because being in a fire is not an everyday occurrence, it's probably your first time in one, it's very dangerous and very frightening - so the sensible thing to do is what the people who deal with fires everyday tell you is the best course of action.

And of course - if Grenfell had been up to code, the fire brigade's advice would have been the sensible action. Neither the fire brigade or the residents of Grenfell are to blame (and certainly aren't stupid) because crooked builders and local councils short changed them.

People who panic and don't follow fire brigade advice aren't stupid either - their reaction is completely understandable. And anybody who hasn't experienced a fire first hand is in no place to judge - as they have no idea how they would react in the same situation. You don't know until you're tested - and no one actually wants to be tested.

People who don't know fire brigade advice (because who would ever think to look it up - no one thinks this will ever happen to them) aren't stupid either. They will make a snap decision - probably to flee... however in the dark, with countless flights of stairs and the air thick with smoke - they might end up opening their front door and swiftly changing their minds, staying put and inadvertently following fire brigade advice. Not knowing and so following your instinct is not stupid - and it is not your fault if that instinct leads you wrong especially if you are in a building that violates health and safety standards

The people who are stupid, however, are the arrogant arseholes who think they know better than the experts - who ignore advice not because they genuinely don't know what it is, but because they think they know better; who don't understand the difference hindsight makes in deciding what you would have done in x position; who somehow believe - without ever being tested - that they will respond calmly and logically in an emergency situation and therefore are better than the people who did not act this way, and who don't have the imagination to consider that - when opening your front door and being confronted with darkness, thick smoke and flames - slamming your door and backing away probably does seem like the sensible reaction at that time.
People like this are not only stupid but are dangerously so. No empathy, no imagination and a towering self belief, without the competence or experience to back it up - that is the shit that gets people killed.

DadDadDad · 05/11/2019 18:50

"And, as we know with regard to Grenfell, that advice was flawed." - quote from Bridgen. Setting aside the complete crassness of JRM and Bridgen, I worry about the assumption that this promotes. As I read it, staying in your flat is the right thing to do in a building maintained to fire regs , because they are designed to keep out the fire, and negotiating dark smoke-filled stairs in a panic is very risky. It was the flammable cladding on the outside that made a mockery of this advice. If the cladding is removed, isn't the advice fine?

Next time there is a tower block fire (hoping there is never a next time), will residents follow firefighters' advice or JRM's advice?

DadDadDad · 05/11/2019 18:51

Cross-post with pretzels who has said it so much better.

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