Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...?

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Speaker Bercow is gone.

Speculation that Johnson is parachuting into Rutland.

Rumours that the Brexit Party won't contest the election.

A new speaker to be elected on Monday.

Parliament to dissolve next week.

Brexit? Oh we've forgotten that until Friday 13th...

Michael Foot was at least as leftwing economically as Corbyn and Foot's manifesto was VERY leftwing

Even Foot wasn't far-left enough to plan to abolish private education, which is exactly what Labour conference passed a month ago.

Corbyn's manifesto would look boringly middle of the road for any socialist / social democratic party elsewhere

And? We're a different country from even near neighbours such as France, where literal communists and fascists have a non-zero chance of winning the presidency.

When UK voters are polled on the policies, almost all get high marks

Nothing is easier than to signal one's virtue by supporting utopian policies in theory, and then voting with one's pocket on election day...

cendrillon The Tory manifesto to carry out Brexit and negotiate a future trade deal,
will mean either having to cave in to EU demands for a Level Playing Field or caving in to US demands to abolish the rights of a LPF

From the statements of BJ and his Cabinet members, I expect he will prioritise the US demands

I'm starting to wonder if Cendrillion is employed by a private school thats all pp bangs on about something that wont be in the manifesto, removing the charitable status on the other hand I hope is going to be in there

From the statements of BJ and his Cabinet members, I expect he will prioritise the US demands

Then you obviously didn't read the comments of Donald Trump himself, backed up by Nigel Farage, that Boris' deal would impede a full US free trade deal.

Their intervention has the useful effect of opening up a genuinely extreme political space to Boris' right that shows his Deal as the reasonable compromise it is.

"When UK voters are polled on the policies, almost all get high marks"

It shows they want those policies

Unlike the ERG members stated aims of a Bonfire of Workers rights

Many ERG MPs, like too the MEP Hannan, have expressesd their frustration that the public won't let them get rid of the NHS

e.g. Former Tory PM John Major warned that:

Gove had wanted to privatise the NHS,
BJ wished to charge people for health services
and IDS wanted to move to a social insurance system.

“The NHS is about as safe with them as a pet hamster would be with a hungry python”

Many other senior Tories have said that the Tory party has swung very far to the right
and many moderate Tory MPs won't be standing in the next GE

Extraordinary for such a tribally loyal party

Then you obviously didn't read the comments of Donald Trump himself, backed up by Nigel Farage, that Boris' deal would impede a full US free trade deal

And yet Johnson has said that's not true.

Trump lies
Farage lies
Johnson lies

Who do you believe?

I'm starting to wonder if Cendrillion is employed by a private school thats all pp bangs on about something that wont be in the manifesto, removing the charitable status on the other hand I hope is going to be in there

Are you Jeremy Corbyn? How do you know what's going to be in the manifesto? Because this is what Labour conference - which according to Corbyn makes Labour policy - decided one month ago:

www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/22/labour-delegates-vote-in-favour-of-abolishing-private-schools

Labour delegates have endorsed radical plans that would abolish private schools by removing their charitable status and redistributing their endowments, investments and properties to the state sector.

Conference delegates approved a motion that said such a commitment should be included in the party’s next general election manifesto.

So are Labour just playing their radical supporters for suckers and are going to ignore them in favour of some weak, Blairite tinkering instead? Wouldn't have expected you to be keen on that kind of thing!

"Boris' deal would impede a full US free trade deal."

Trump didn't read the WA then

More likely he is frustrated that he won't be able to announce an FTA before the Nov 2020 Presidential elections
that would be a bonanza for US Big Pharma, Big Farming, Big Tech

• not so much for UK business, who would find the individual US states would still not allow them in.

It won't impede a US trade deal at all after transition, unless BJ chooses to negotiate a close trade deal with the EU - they would insist on conditions that would preclude a US deal.

I like to hear Xenias viewpoint because she is utterly consistent and coherent in her views and outlook
unlike many who seem to mortar lob.

If these threads cannot tolerate dissent then they become pointless.

Anybody who thinks that parts of the current Government are not extremely rightwing needs to read
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Unchained

Their suggestions and solutions would be right at home in the GOP across the pond

Are you Jeremy Corbyn?

How did you guess, I'm sat here stroking a pot of jam like a villain in a Bond movie

If these threads cannot tolerate dissent then they become pointless.

Only the right kind of dissent I've found in some cases

And the risible idea that the most left-wing shadow cabinet in modern times is "moderate" that is taken as gospel on here? Somehow that's not trolling for some reason?

We know a Labour cabinet wouldn’t be moderate in Tory terms but at least it wouldn’t contain at least one minister who secretly believes in the death penalty.

"Labour delegates have endorsed radical plans that would abolish private schools by removing their charitable status and redistributing their endowments, investments and properties to the state sector."

They can abolish charitable status
However, under the EHRC, they can't carry out "redistributing" anything without fair compensation

Of course many Tory Brexiters want to leave the EHRC as well as the EU, which would enable a future Labour govt to do this

The reason Corbyn and other Lexiters oppose the EU is that some of their other radical policies can't be carried out.
After Brexit and in the GE after Brexit, after a long post-Brexit recession ......

So under this WA, after transition, some impediments to both far left and far right policies will be removed

I also like to hear Xenia's views, because they are thoughtful and informative from a Tory pov
not trolling, not trying to wind people up

JustAnotherPoster00

Alsohuman

Thanks for turning up. So are those direct reports from the Guardian wrong? Is Labour going to abolish private education in line with the democratic vote of Labour party conference? Or are they just going to remove charitable status and ignore the poor fools who thought that Labour would enact their radical fantasies?

Because it has to be one or the other, and neither one looks good for them!

We’re going to have to see what’s in the Labour manifesto @CendrillonSings since none of us has a crystal ball - except apparently you.

I often find what the guardian has to say on Labour can be taken with a grain of salt, as with other outlets they have their own bias, normally from a right-centre neoliberal point

As for anything else, you're the only poster that comes on to plop, even with Bear she shit posts but we know to some degree where she is coming from, but you just shit post, clear as fucking day agenda I might add, but as far as I know I'm not the resident thread troll feeder today, I did forget to check the rota though

We’re going to have to see what’s in the Labour manifesto @CendrillonSings since none of us has a crystal ball - except apparently you.

So an explicit public vote passed at Labour conference means nothing to you, but you feel sufficiently confident in your mind-reading abilities to refer to a Tory minister who "secretly believes in the death penalty".

Do you know what hypocrisy is?

This Labour manifesto has finally abandoned the Blairite attempts to win the centre ground - that has been left for the LDems

Labour are trying to get back their traditional voters who felt abandoned by Blair's sharp turn to the right and dumping of traditional Labour policies and aims.

Some Labour strategists also believe that these voters - rather than the mc centrists Blair attracted - are more likely to be Lexiters, because of their anger at the status quo & austerity
but can be won back by radical policies that promise change

This GE may show whether there is no longer a sufficiently large traditional wc vote for this strategy to work,
whether the I'm-all-right-Jill voters have dislodged them

Like the Tories, towin, Labour only need a minority of those who actually vote

So that's v roughly 35% of 70%, about 25% of eligible voters for either party to win a majority
Less to be the largest party

For eah party, getting out their own vote is key

I wouldn't worry so much about it CendrillonSings

Article from the guardian highlights the confusion around the policy and that it's unlikely to be fully implemented:

Angela Rayner, the shadow education secretary, has thrown just about everything she can at the independent school sector, apart from the kitchen sink. She is promising the abolition of charitable status, public subsidies and tax privileges, a 7% cap on university admissions from private schools, and the redistribution of their endowments, properties or investments.

But such a jumbled cocktail of measures may mean Laps finds itself the victim of its own success. By visiting a nuclear winter of reforms on the schools, the policy has become unfocused. It is also contradictory. How can you impose a tax on a sector that has been abolished? And what is the point of quotas on private schools admissions to university if the schools from where these graduates have been educated have already been dismantled?

Resistant forces within the Labour hierarchy may seek to capitalise on an incoherent approach by using it to water down any future policy reform. Rayner had already said that she would task the Social Mobility Commission – which the party would rename the Social Justice Commission – with “integrating private schools”. And John McDonnell later promised every part of the policy would be carried out on a “consultation basis”, and that he could not see the use of “draconian measures” to enforce it.

Tory minister who "secretly believes in the death penalty".

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-death-penalty-capital-punishment-home-secretary-boris-johnson-a9037651.html

I'm also assuming the manifesto will contain most of the conference motions

However, events are moving very swiftly, so both manifestos are likely to be a bit different to what the party faithful's vote for

I often find what the guardian has to say on Labour can be taken with a grain of salt, as with other outlets they have their own bias, normally from a right-centre neoliberal point

So the Guardian is lying about it, according to you. Fascinating.

As for anything else, you're the only poster that comes on to plop, even with Bear she shit posts but we know to some degree where she is coming from, but you just shit post, clear as fucking day agenda I might add, but as far as I know I'm not the resident thread troll feeder today, I did forget to check the rota though

And you don't have the capacity to counter my points with actual facts or arguments, so you just throw your toys out of the pram. Also fascinating

@lonelyplanetmum.

Thanks for the link to People's Vote crowdfunder - I've just bunged them some ££s

I might have missed a few crucial exchanges before posting that...