Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...?

[RedToothBrush]

Speaker Bercow is gone.

Speculation that Johnson is parachuting into Rutland.

Rumours that the Brexit Party won't contest the election.

A new speaker to be elected on Monday.

Parliament to dissolve next week.

Brexit? Oh we've forgotten that until Friday 13th...

I can quite see Queenie following her grandad's lead from 1923-4 and sending for the Labour leader instead.

That very rich woman with the golden piano? Unlikely

Expect to see many more posts like Wimbledonna's attempting to smear the LibDems by association . In a way it's a compliment to the threat that the pose - particularly to the Conservatives, but also to some Labour seats

And regular posters will know that I don't like Swinson and would dearly love to see her lose her seat to the SNP again so that it's not that I'm biased in favour of them.

The Queen will keep to the Constitution and send for whoever can form a majority govt in the HoC,
on their own or in coalition, or with a Confidence & Supply agreement

She may wait to see the written agreement of the last 2 possibilities, having been lied to before

However, constitutionally BJ remains caretaker PM until / unless a new PM takes over

pretty seems to be a lot of one nation Tories in the LibDems so I doubt it would be a comfortable fit for them to go into coalition with the Tories again , but you know with not having any evidence and all [shrug] its a theory as valid as anyone elses

The idea that the most rightwing cabinet in modern times is a "One Nation Tory" cabinet
is so ludicrous I have to class such posts as trolling

If the Conservatives end up as the largest party but with fewer seats than 2017, I could envisage BJ, in his narcissistic arrogance, driving off to see the Queen and claiming that he can form a government - and being sent away with a flea in his ear and told to come back when he has the evidence

Can you imagine the TV coverage of that!

(....she's been caught out once before like that, when she was told by May that she could form a government, before the deal had been signed with the DUP )

But as I echo earlier pp's, it doesnt matter just vote for whoever gets your local Tory out, every other bridge can be dealt with when we get there

The politics of the Royal Family are not simple. On one level they are old-school Tory Squirearchy, but experience has taught Queenie what a shower of shite Tory PMs are, especially the Old Etonians who have all, one way or another, fallen short of expectations.

She takes as she finds and dislikes grovellers (Thatcher). Her favourite PMs were Churchill and Wilson, her Lord M and Dizzy in Queen Vic analogy.

And there have also been Labour MPs who have defected to the LibDems but don't let facts get in the way of assumptions

There has to be a Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is prime minister until someone else is. As leader of the largest party BJ would go to the palace and would be asked if he could form a govt, but if there is a solid anti-Tory majority who indicate they will vote him down, then he's fucked, and the Queen sends for Corbyn next.

JustAnotherPoster00

I wish we had more political engagement in this country, everytime I'm asked 'as all Labour members are' to suggest things for policy I always ask for:

Votes for EU Nationals paying tax here

Votes for 16/17 year olds

I always seem to forget to put votes for prisoners which irritates me, I want to extend the franchise to everyone possible

What a brilliantly slanted list of constitutional amendments. It's almost as if you know Labour can't win elections without the votes of children, foreign citizens, and criminals...

Actually, it's not an unfair comment if you read her posts around MN. But, yet again, you see fit to have a dig at me, Red. Which I'm - quite frankly - sick to the back teeth of.

The idea that the most rightwing cabinet in modern times is a "One Nation Tory" cabinet confused is so ludicrous I have to class such posts as trolling

And the risible idea that the most left-wing shadow cabinet in modern times is "moderate" that is taken as gospel on here? Somehow that's not trolling for some reason?

The Lib Dems have always been the closest contenders to the Tories in Northernish Devon, having held 2 constituencies before losing them later to the Tories. They could have taken the votes of most Remainers, but then they silly things like this, not once, but twice:

www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/second-devon-lib-dem-candidate-3409729

I bet you ten Brexit 50ps Jo Swinson would team up with the Tories.

Usually I would agree, they detest Labour (and it's mutual), but they were so savagely burnt by the Tory coalition and the main issue at the moment would be getting a 2nd Ref so it would make more sense to try to hold together with Labour for long enough to achieve that.

That is an unfair comment. There is a large 'anyone but the tories' present on this thread for very understandable reasons. But at the same time the vilification of Remainers who have voted tory in the past doesn't sit well with me either. It doesn't help shift the tribalism. Yes Red. The poking and the baiting is unseemly. My vote for the LIb Dems is hanging by a thread. DH is a previous Tory voter but will never vote for BJ due to well...BJ being BJ. I don't have such high principles and there will be a lot like me.

So Farage is doing a General Melchett, Blackadder Goes Forth:

"The idea that the soldiers suffered whilst their commanders remained safely distant from the action was also referenced on many occasions, such as when Melchett says to Baldrick, "Don't you worry my boy, if you should falter, remember that Captain Darling and I are behind you!", to which Blackadder responds, "About 35 miles behind you!". "

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackadder_Goes_Forth

the main issue at the moment would be getting a 2nd Ref

The 1 that Labour is committed to?

"the most left-wing shadow cabinet in modern times"

I notice you don't deny we have the most rightwing cabinet ever

Michael Foot was at least as leftwing economically as Corbyn and Foot's manifesto was VERY leftwing

Corbyn's manifesto would look boringly middle of the road for any socialist / social democratic party elsewhere
When UK voters are polled on the policies, almost all get high marks

However, Labour posters here don't particularly claim this is a "moderate" / centrist Labour manifesto,
but that it is a traditional Labour manifesto, to correct the swing to the right since 1979

imo, the Brexit vote shows many want radical change not the status quo, so a centrist Blairite manifesto - which I personally would prefer - would be rejected by many tradititonal Labour voters.

I'd have thought that fervent Labour supporters condemning the LDems would be reassuring to a Tory Remainer thinking of voting LDem,
that they have not strayed too far left, away from the path of righteousness !

ntbo, but the LDems are centrist and because they may take votes from both Tory & Labour, both parties will be attacking them during this campaign

This GE looks like it is the one for all the marbles,
described by some analysts as the most important GE since 1945, in that it will decide the direction the country goes for the next few decades

It's not just about Brexit, but whether ERG members in the Cabinet achieve their stated aim of reversing the post-WW2 consensus and having a "Bonfire" of most of the rights and benefits gained then

Once abolished, some things will be very difficult to bring back in a future GE,
e.g. if the Tories sign up to a US FTA with punitive penalty clauses

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However, Labour posters here don't particularly claim this is a "moderate" / centrist Labour manifesto, but that it is a traditional Labour manifesto, to correct the swing to the right since 1979

So according to you a back-to-the-70s Labour manifesto is just a "traditional" one to correct unwelcome subsequent developments and that's just fine...

But a Conservative manifesto that is back-to-the-70s in only one respect (EU membership) to correct unwelcome subsequent developments is not "traditional" and not fine at all...

Hmmmmm...

Actually, it's not an unfair comment if you read her posts around MN

I am well aware of Xenia's political position, lifestyle and opinions.

She is entitled to have them, as much as anyone else on this thread.

You don't have to agree with them.

I have had run ins with Xenia before and certainly do not agree with her on many, many things.

Xenia has been polite and civil on these threads and gives a different perspective which will reflect a certain group of voters who are still Remainers. Its important to see this thinking as its relevant to what type of Brexit we will ultimately get.

Pluralism is essential in political debate for it to be democratic and non authoritarian.

But, yet again, you see fit to have a dig at me, Red. Which I'm - quite frankly - sick to the back teeth of.

Well that's your problem then. I honestly can't remember having a dig at you before. So if you think it's personal you are very sorely mistaken.

These threads are somewhat under represented by Tory Remainers who I do think are a crucial group going into this election.

I would very much like to hear views from this perspective for this reason alone.

And I still don't get why Xenia isn't allowed to push a Tory agenda on here. There's plenty of others who are pushing their own agendas.

But a Conservative manifesto that is back-to-the-70s

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