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Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...?

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RedToothBrush · 31/10/2019 17:44

Speaker Bercow is gone.

Speculation that Johnson is parachuting into Rutland.

Rumours that the Brexit Party won't contest the election.

A new speaker to be elected on Monday.

Parliament to dissolve next week.

Brexit? Oh we've forgotten that until Friday 13th...

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Oakenbeach · 01/11/2019 21:52

Batshit stuff from Farage and Tice earlier... Even BXP sympathisers rubbishing it as ridiculous.

C8H10N4O2 · 01/11/2019 21:57

Speculation that Johnson is parachuting into Rutland

Ruislip Northwood just next door, despite being a remain constituency, would elect a three legged ferret if it wore a blue rosette.

Oakenbeach · 01/11/2019 21:58

However....it's feeling more and more like a Tory schism with moderate voters and former MPs moving towards the Lib Dems.

It feels “moderate” Tory voters are trending back into the fold, feeling now we have a deal, that will
be the least worst way forward. Look at how most of the Tory rebels voted for the WAB, even Ken Clarke! However, they’re hearts won’t be in it and may be persuadable.

PS I’m describing myself in the above.

RedToothBrush · 01/11/2019 22:21

Did someone say there was an election on?

Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...?
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Basilpots · 01/11/2019 22:28

I’ve seen various ideas about what Is happen with Tory remainers Oak
61% sticking with cons 31% Lib or to1m Lib 2m con 1m don’t know. A day is a long week in politics atm.

Someone is going to be disappointed either ERG wing or one nationers.

Cant string both along indefinitely.

Peregrina · 01/11/2019 22:31

which leads to the possibility that a lot of BXP candidates will simply be there to be names on the ballot with little to no support from the Faragester.

As with UKIP at the 2017 election - the UKIP person never even set foot in the constituency.

RedToothBrush · 01/11/2019 22:34

Michael Dugan @mduganlpool
What's irksome about media/political focus on "Labour's working class Northern Brexit voters"? Besides fact a) core Leave vote = middle class Southern Tories & b) core Labour vote = Remain regardless of class/location? I'll just observe:

There's so often an implicit assumption / insinuation that "working class" means angry, bigoted. Suggestions of lower intelligence, inability to understand difficult issues. It's so patronising, insulting and totally untrue...

Working class means economically vulnerable and hampered by inequality at every turn by nothing more than the accident of birth. The constant insecurity; the lower life expectancy; the great scientists or musicians who never were. Not intelligence or enlightenment...

On the contrary: compassion and solidarity - I remember as a kid, in Belfast, us packing food and clothes for the striking miners in Northern England. We had no idea who they were. We just knew they were the same as us and they were in trouble...

So next time you hear a MediaType or a Bourgeois Brexiter or a Champagne Socialist offer their sweeping views about the "angry working class Northern Leave voters" - maybe time to call out their misleading and offensive stereotype?

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CendrillonSings · 01/11/2019 22:37

Someone is going to be disappointed either ERG wing or one nationers.

We’re leaving with a Deal that is hard enough to satisfy the ERG but avoids the No Deal that would have driven away the one nationers. It’s fairly simple, really. Then add in the Labour Leavers being thrown under the bus by their own party and you’ve got quite an effective FPTP electoral coalition.

Great news on banning fracking as well - things like that are popular across the political divide.

thecatfromjapan · 01/11/2019 22:44

Michael Dugan is right.

Mistigri · 01/11/2019 22:50

core Leave vote = middle class Southern Tories

I've been banging this drum for about 3 years.

Just because some northern Labour constituencies voted leave, does not mean that Labour voters and leave voters are the same people.

placemats · 01/11/2019 22:52

theABC Thanks for the generous offer. I don't drink gin obviously ruining my mumsnet credentials here

My favourite tipple is Chardonnay. Grin

Obviously, I'm going WCS. I've done it before and been right though Sad

RedToothBrush · 01/11/2019 22:52

Damian Lyons Lowe @damiansurvation
On behalf of Simon Walters at Daily Mail, we have polled the seat many in the media have described as a "must win" in this election as an indicator for Conservative fortunes in parts of the north of England - Workington in Cumbria.

The "Workington Man" moniker has been used to describe this voter type, originally by @Will_Tanner. Beyond the high street vox pops of questionable value, We've polled Workington Man (men) and Workington Women this week via telephone interview to provide some quantitative data.

Our polling indicates that In a General Election "tomorrow" the Conservative Party's candidate Mark Jenkinson would win the seat from Labour with an 11 point lead over the current incumbent Sue Hayman.

Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...?
Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...?
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thecatfromjapan · 01/11/2019 22:55

People who aren't comfortable with the Conservative Party: Ken Clarke, Matthew Paris, Philip Hammond ...

The 'Conservative Party' is no longer The Conservative Party.

It's been taken over.

placemats · 01/11/2019 22:56

I agree Misti. The South West results will be interesting too.

placemats · 01/11/2019 22:57

Where is the Brexit Party getting the money to field 500 candidates?

Basilpots · 01/11/2019 23:04

We’re leaving with a Deal that is hard enough to satisfy the ERG but avoids the No Deal

And in July when it is time to extend again??

And the cliff edge happens again ??

ERG won’t want to extend one nation will.

And on and on and on it goes.

CendrillonSings · 01/11/2019 23:06

The 'Conservative Party' is no longer The Conservative Party.

It's been taken over.

And the Labour Party is still the party of John Smith, Tony Blair, Mo Mowlam, Margaret Beckett, Alistair Darling, and Chuka Umunna, is it?

Don’t make me laugh. The moderate Labour Party is dead, and it was killed all the way back in 2015, when the membership threw its toys out of the pram and elected Corbyn because it couldn’t bear losing to a moderate Europhile like Cameron. Now it’s a far-left cult riddled with antisemitism that talks out of both sides of its mouth on Brexit. What an alternative government!

placemats · 01/11/2019 23:08

Johnson to ban 'Fracking'. Presumably to up the Tories green credentials.

Yeah right.

Oakenbeach · 01/11/2019 23:11

We’re leaving with a Deal that is hard enough to satisfy the ERG but avoids the No Deal that would have driven away the one nationers. It’s fairly simple, really. Then add in the Labour Leavers being thrown under the bus by their own party and you’ve got quite an effective FPTP electoral coalition.

I have to say I agree... BJ knew he had to get a deal... He also knew that he needed a pre-deal
Election to stand the best chance of getting a majority. Like him or loathe him, since the mid-steps of August/September, he’s played a blinder this past few weeks.... However, there’s a long road ahead between now and 12 December, and I remain torn on who to vote for....

chomalungma · 01/11/2019 23:11

Always look at the tables.

103/ 506 of those people asked were undecided.

That undecided percentage rises to a lot more amongst the younger people and women.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 01/11/2019 23:11

*What's irksome about media/political focus on "Labour's working class Northern Brexit voters"? Besides fact a) core Leave vote = middle class Southern Tories & b) core Labour vote = Remain regardless of class/location? I'll just observe:

There's so often an implicit assumption / insinuation that "working class" means angry, bigoted. Suggestions of lower intelligence, inability to understand difficult issues. It's so patronising, insulting and totally untrue...

Working class means economically vulnerable and hampered by inequality at every turn by nothing more than the accident of birth. The constant insecurity; the lower life expectancy; the great scientists or musicians who never were. Not intelligence or enlightenment...*
Red, don't ever lose your ability to read between the lines...I am your classic northern, "lower class" voter and I hear you.. in fact, pre-referendum I heard you too, but I was too stubborn to listen!

placemats · 01/11/2019 23:15

Are you suggesting that someone who votes for Labour is an anti-Semite Cendrillon?

I'm voting Labour. It goes without saying I'm not an anti-Semite.

Basilpots · 01/11/2019 23:17

He should allowed the deal to be scrutinised Oak and risked the amendments.

It’s not acceptable to rush legislation of that magnitude through at lightning speed.

It just makes it look as if you have something to hide.

MichaelFabricantsHair · 01/11/2019 23:19

I guess I'm in the unique position of being a northern, working class voter who despite being working class to the bone, is now a politically homeless voter who has always voted labour up until now...guess what will.sway me and my vote? Gender ID! I never thought I'd add such a feminist featherto my cap 😂

thecatfromjapan · 01/11/2019 23:19

I think the Labour Party is turning back. Lots of people hung on in there, including its PLP.

The high water has been reached and is receding.

What's happened with the Conservative Party is staggering - and of a different order.

Philip Hammond. Ken Clarke.

It's unprecedented - and it's shocking that there isn't more commentary and analysis of this.

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