Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westminstenders: Christmas Cold, Campaigning, Canvassing and Cancelled Carols

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 18:45

It looks like a December General Election is on.

The EU have officially extended A50 until 31st January. We have to name an EU Commissioner though.

All that seems left to do is decide between the 9th and 12th December.

The difference between the two is about whether there is any possibility that the WAB can be passed before Parliament dissolves.

A pre-brexit GE is thought to favour the LDs at the expense of Labour and the Conservatives. What the Brexit Party decide to do and where they decide to stand will also be crucial.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
26
redchocolatebutton · 29/10/2019 21:16

such a stalling tactic. first the never ending tory leadership elections, prorogue and now ge...

I'm getting really annoyed tbh

if it weren't so sad it would be funny

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 21:17

Brexiteers vomity plans - bungs for BXP:

Lord Ashcroft@LordAshcroft

The ‪*@Conservatives‬ should come to an accommodation with the ‪*@brexitpartyuk‬ along the lines of not standing in say a dozen labour held northern seats

in return for a clear run elsewhere...

plus peerages for ‪*@NigelFarage‬ and ‪*@TiceRichard

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 21:18

That would be a terrible deal for the Tories
2 peerages should equal a clear run in all seats where Tories have a chance

lonelyplanetmum · 29/10/2019 21:24

Bookies current odds are sadly.

Conservative (1/6)
Labour (7/1)
The Brexit Party (40/1)
Liberal Democrats (30/1)
UKIP (1000/ 1)

Lots of evidence in articles on line that suggest that bookies are better predictors of elections than polls.

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 21:25

Steve Baker came out and said no pact with the BXP would be possible because they were demanding Tory’s be prepared to back a no deal Brexit.

At the same time supposedly DC has demanded all Tory MPs must be prepared to sign up to a no deal Brexit.

Who knows ???Confused

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 21:26

Sorry. Had to get the quacker started. Late dinner due to Parliament.

I'm thinking hung parliament. Don't see the Libs going in with the Tories but they may change their tune and go in with a Labour and DUP grouping for a majority. But as we have seen over here the rainbow coalitions DONT worl very well not sure where the SNP will hang their hats nor Greens and of course Brexit party and others.

HoneyandSpice · 29/10/2019 21:31

Frightening going into a GE with so many people (on other threads) still thinking that Johnson is 'charismatic'
The post earlier on today citing Rory Stewart actually made Johnson seem like an abusive narcissist. 'He made me angry but then he won me over with his charm'
If this was a relationship thread, everyone would say LTB. He has no positive characteristics. Why the fuck could anyone like him?

ListeningQuietly · 29/10/2019 21:31

I'm having Beef Wellington for Christmas
as all those Turkeys look horrible

titchy · 29/10/2019 21:32

Shorter odds for Con minority gov though - 3/1...

Bearbehind · 29/10/2019 21:34

Why the fuck could anyone like him?

Because he is saying what they want to hear

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 21:45

FPTP makes seat predictions difficult:

In 2005, Labour won a 66-seat majority with just a 35.2% share of the vote, on a turnout of 61.3%.
So 21.6% of the electorate voted for the govt

And that was with 3 GB-wide parties, not 4

In 2010, UKIP recvd 3,900,000 votes and returned 1 MP.
The Tories recvd 11,335,000 votes and returned 331 MPs.
3 x the votes, 331 x the MPs.

HoneyandSpice · 29/10/2019 21:45

So the reason I am single is the same reason I hate him.
Because i don't like people who lie.

mrslaughan · 29/10/2019 21:47

@PotterHead1985 - why wouldn't a coalition work?

One of my only frustrations on this thread is the constant refrain for electoral reform ....... but then the constant bitching about student fees and the Lib Dem's.
Seriously what sort of electoral reform do you want? You seem to all hint at some sort of proportional representation- but that requires compromise on the parties involved.

Maybe that's just not something the English can do?

Jaffacakebeast · 29/10/2019 21:50

My monies on the tories

thecatfromjapan · 29/10/2019 21:55

Thank you. Red.

derxa · 29/10/2019 22:05

,

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/10/2019 22:10

Pmk

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 22:26

@mrslaughan I am just going on my experiences of a rainbow coalition here in Ireland back in the 90s. It didn't last two long and the parties were not as big presences as would be in a UK coalition. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 22:27

There is a Spotlight on BBC in a few minutes about Brexit. An audience participation thingy.

tobee · 29/10/2019 22:31

That sounds grim Potter.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 22:36

Too long even.

What sounds grim @tobee

tobee · 29/10/2019 22:40

Audience participation.

Sorry just too many vox pops seen with people saying ghastly right wing rantiness.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 22:47

@tobee ah yes. Usually is!!

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 23:03

The thing with a coalition is its stability. If it gets in by a wafer then the opposition is just the tories.

Thus if there's dissatisfaction then you could end up with 2 years of a coalition, it collaspes and you get a backlash to the Conservatives anyway.

I don't know what result is best in either the short term, nor the long term for that reason.

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 23:11

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
You’ve heard of Essex Man, Mondeo Man, and Worcester Woman. Now meet Workington Man - the northern, smaller town, pro-Brexit male swing voter who will decide the 2019 General Election.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/10239522/boris-johnson-election-north-rugby-towns/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Boris Johnson must steal voters from Labour in Northern rugby towns like Workington for General Election success

IN the 1980s, Essex Man was the key target swing voter that gave Margaret Thatcher a decade in power.

By 1997, Tony Blair had to win over Mondeo Man, and it was David Cameron’s task in 2010 to woo Worcester Woman.

And

The new electoral stereotype has been pinned down by right of centre think tank Onward. Typically he is an older, Brexit-backing, working class man, who lives in a northern rugby league town.

The highest concentration of these key voters live in the Cumbrian coastal town of Workington, hence the name.

Traditionally loyal to Labour, Onward’s polling shows Workington Man struggles to identify with hard left Opposition boss Jeremy Corbyn.

But he does crave more security in a fast-changing world.

He also wants better wages rather than tax cuts in his family’s pockets, more cash spent on hospitals and schools, and for his local town to be done up.

Writing for The Sun today, Onward director and former No 10 adviser Will Tanner says Workington Man is highly susceptible to Mr Johnson’s message.

But Mr Tanner reveals: “To win him round, the Conservatives must promise more than the economic freedoms and tax giveaways they are known for.

“They need to offer protection from a modern world in which liberalising economic policies, globalisation and immigration have undermined work, wages and community.”

Well I know all about rugby league towns and that mentality...

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread