Westminstenders: Extension or No Extension

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Johnson has sent a letter he said he never would asking for an extension.

We now wait to see what the EU come back with.

It's likely to be a technical extension. At best.

France are really not happy with the idea of an extension and Macron is flexing his muscles with the EU at the moment. He has been prepared to upset all the other EU countries as he proved with blocking progress on accession to the EU for Northern Macedonia and Albania this week. Macron is fighting his own domestic battles.

It looks as if Johnson now has a majority for a deal. What that deal will ultimately look like will be dictated by the Withdrawal Agreement Bill which sets out implementation of the Withdrawal Act.

However, with the DUP firmly offside the chances of a vote of no confidence go up. As do the chances of an election.

And its also worth pointing out that whilst the WAB is legally binding if we have an election and Johnson gets a majority, then there can always be changes made to domestic law. (implementation of the WA rather than the agreement principles of the WA agreed with the EU).

Thus any 'assurances' over workers rights and regulatory standards are only as good as long as this parliament...

I think this is a better link on the De Souza case:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/14/uk-court-rules-against-derry-woman-in-irish-identity-case

I totally understand the resentment of those in GB who voted remain would feel about Northern Ireland under this current WA, especially the Scottish.

Different link. Same case.
Its the UK Home Office being its usual sweet self.
Nobody born in Northern Ireland needs to apply for a British Passport because they are British anyway. Hence the low number of applications.

They'd still need a passport.

Out of interest, would the rules to bring a spouse into NI be more lenient for an EU citizen? Is that the reason the Home Office has been wasting so much money on court cases rather than just letting Emma De Souza bring her American husband in as an Irish citizen?

I totally understand the resentment of those in GB who voted remain would feel about Northern Ireland under this current WA, especially the Scottish

I voted remain and I don't feel resentful because it has been obvious to me that NI would have to be a special case since it became clear that the government was pursuing a hard Brexit rather than the UK remaining in the CU and SM.

Blaue
The UK's rules on bringing non EU spouses in are utterly horrible.
In fact the UKs rules for all non EU immigration are horrible.
If she is British, he cannot come into the EU.

Thank you Blaue. Many people in Northern Ireland or of Northern Irish descent do have both passports. I would not be able to work in GB without my British passport, yet because I'm Northern Irish born with an expensive elocution accent, I'm ALWAYS asked if I'm British.

They'd still need a passport.
Why ?
People do not need a passport just to live in their own country
see the Windrush case for details
LOTS of Brits do not have passports.
around 2/3 of Americans do not have passports.

I don't have a passport. Keep meaning to get one. Actually I should probably hurry in case it gets more difficult after brexit.

Which is odd, as a spent most of my childhood in Europe. But I think that you were included on your parent's passport back then.

Reading The Guardian on Gove triggering Yellowhammer, and once again he is saying they have the "ability to leave by 31st" it's this continuous use of by him and BoZoCum keep using that is niggling me.

Yes they keep saying we're leaving by the 31st.They're up to something again aren't they? Bastards.

What could it be?

PMK

@JeSuisPoulet

I think GOV using yellow hammer as a stick saying if you don't pass then is your fault

I completely agree ginger, it's just whether they will pull us out early. I think I mentioned this before and was told it needs to be agreed with EU? Or have I dreamt that?

A policy that cannot be explained to voters is a waste of time therefore a new policy and a new leader are needed

I didn't say Labour policy couldn't be explained to voters, just that it has been presented in that way by media and those who can't stand JC. I think voters will appreciate the compromise embodied in the policy when explained during any GE campaign.

Did the Benn act say that the government has to accept an extension offer from the EU after requesting one?

Labour's policy isn't complex. Or I don't think so.

Yes. PM has 48 hours to accept or Parliament will decide.

Thank christ for that Fluffy, suddenly had a horrible feeling that might be their latest bullshit cunning plan

Labour's policy is mad: Negotiate a new deal, then campaign against it in a Referendum.

.....Oh hang on, that was Cameron.

(That went well.)

@JeSuisPoulet - I completely agree. Them saying they are leaving on31st October- is causing me a lot of stress. I would not be surprised at all if they have something devious up their sleeves, that isn't really legal, certainly not morally, but maybe doesn't really have significant consequences- like prison. Contempt of parliament we know has no teeth.

Arsedarkly
I have just had a look here
labour.org.uk/page/labour-brexit-plan/
So, what will be on their campaign literature - few enough words to work LedByDonkeys style?
They will campaign for a second referendum ....
fine
but which way will they campaign in that referendum?
So is the party wanting to be in or out of the EU?

I have to say - I haven't been a fan of the concept if complete revoke - but I am now of the mind that that's the best option. I know the threats of civil disobedience, not acknowledging the vote, but this is getting stupid. It's ruining businesses - incl mine - which I could live with. But with the threat of Ireland kicking off, and we really have trespasses on the EU's patients far too match. We're like that guest that you think you know, you invite them to stay - they trash your house and keep on saying their leaving, but never do.....

Sorry bloody autocorrect- but I am sure you get the idea......

As a comparator on the "Brexit Policy Front"
This page does not need much explaining
www.libdems.org.uk/brexit