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Westministenders: Slow News Fake News

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RedToothBrush · 09/10/2019 18:36

Things have been slow whilst we are in proroguation, ahead of next weeks Queen's Speech and the EU summit.

We've been in full spin mode, from the likes of the far right and an unnamed source at No.10.

People seem to be waking up to the reality that its highly unlikely we will get a deal now, unless something significant. And No.10 has worked out the NI problem. FINALLY.

Anyway, if you have a little time this week and you are interested in the history of where technology change and fake news meet and how where we are now is merely things repeating themselves, Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History, is essential viewing.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00095hv/ian-hislops-fake-news-a-true-history

I really feel strongly this is stuff that should be being taught in schools somehow as its what protects us from extremism.

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54321go · 13/10/2019 10:52

In essence, nothing has actually changed in 3 years. The EU are still waiting for the UK ratification of the WA, so that proper negotitions can START. Meanwhile the UK is stuffed full of posturing politicians still squabbling about who sits on the big chair and has a key to the executive washroom.
If BoJo does actually sign up to the WA, then proper negotitions can then start. Contained within the WA are multiple scenarios by which the UK either leaves or remains. All to be discussed during the work up to the PD and possible transition.

DGRossetti · 13/10/2019 10:58

If he's PM, he retains a lot of powers and one of those may bite everyone else in the arse

I think the recent SCOTUK ruling has bought that into sharp focus ... not only might there be a limit on those powers, but they might themselves be subject to a bite in the arse (as happened 24th September). It could be a two-way street.

All of this was predicted before the referendum. Like badly felling a tree. You know it's going to fall. You know it's going to damage something. Just not exactly where.

NoWordForFluffy · 13/10/2019 11:02

I saw the beginning of a story in The Times (I don't subscribe) which says Corbyn will agree to Bercow as temp PM if BoZo quits and therefore tries to bring on no deal that way.

Interesting that his position is shifting (if true). Has he been sat on, metaphorically speaking?

BigChocFrenzy · 13/10/2019 11:04

Giving someone other than the govt the power to authorise spending (150 million on a PV ?) would be a major change

Rather than make all these (permanent) changes to how we are governed, just so an Opposition controls a PM / govt via the courts,
change the bloody PM

It gives me no confidence in anything the rebels do if they can't even agree on someone to tolerate as PM for 6-7 weeks

BigChocFrenzy · 13/10/2019 11:06

That would be a very encouraging development if true
and if it is, we can praise Corbyn for once, for doing the right thing to try to get us out of the Tory Brexshit

Basilpots · 13/10/2019 11:14

Has anyone read The Times leak on operation Kingfisher I reached my freebie limit ?

DGRossetti · 13/10/2019 11:18

JRM telling leavers that "compromise is inevitable" Hmm

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50032500

BigChocFrenzy · 13/10/2019 11:30

Basilpots Times text is below
Attached images of data in the kingfisher report

No-deal Brexit will hit leave-voting areas hardest, says report

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-deal-will-hit-leave-voting-areas-hardest-says-report-mxt8nqzxm

"A leaked government document shows that 29 out of 33 areas that will be worst hit by job losses backed Brexit

Salisbury, Sunderland and Carlisle are among the English cities where jobs would be worst hit in the event of a no-deal Brexit, according to a secret government list leaked to The Sunday Times.

The document, marked “official sensitive” — requiring security clearance on a “need to know” basis — reveals that 29 of the 33 areas most vulnerable to job losses if the UK crashes out of the European Union voted leave.

It is this kind of information that has put pressure on the prime minister, Boris Johnson, to move away from the idea of leaving the EU without a deal.

The list, which was compiled under the codename Operation Kingfisher, the government’s contingency plans to prop up businesses, was created in the run-up to the first EU exit deadline earlier this year by the Treasury and the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy.

However, the prognosis for companies has since deteriorated, according to the Operation Yellowhammer file leaked to this newspaper in August, which warned that “EU exit fatigue” had reduced “business readiness” since March.

In some cases, the doomsday forecasts have proved to be accurate, with companies announcing they would close their plants and cut jobs in recent weeks.

The Kingfisher document highlights “areas vulnerable to a shock by virtue of having large plants, in vulnerable sectors, with labour markets that would struggle to cope”.

These include Sunderland, where Nissan runs the UK’s biggest car plant, employing 6,000 people. The Japanese car-maker warned last week that a no-deal Brexit would make its European business model unsustainable due to tariffs imposed on exports.

Swindon, where Honda has announced that it will close its plant in 2021 with the loss of 3,500 jobs, and Coventry, the headquarters of Jaguar Land Rover which has said it will halt production for a week to mitigate potential disruption from a no-deal Brexit, are other car manufacturing areas featured on the list.

Surprising entries include Oxford, York, Harrogate and Cheltenham — the four areas on the list that voted remain. Cowley, near Oxford, is home to BMW’s Mini factory, which employs 4,500 people. BMW has warned that a no-deal Brexit would “lead to a reduction of produced cars in Oxford”.

Chichester, which marginally voted to leave the EU, is also featured. The West Sussex Growers’ Association, based near the city, has warned that an exodus of EU seasonal workers would make it impossible “to grow, harvest or pack many crops that are currently grown in Britain”.

In the run-up to the first exit date, Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, wrote to the other permanent secretaries, stating that only businesses for which “distress or loss of investment would be economically critical” would be given extra support.

The letter, which has also been leaked to The Sunday Times, warned that “the vast majority of firms will need to rely on management action, commercial finance and ‘business as usual’ government support”, in the event of a no-deal Brexit. Among civil servants there are concerns that this will mean that only the largest businesses will be eligible for bailouts.

According to an internal Cabinet Office report presented to Michael Gove’s no-deal planning exit operations committee last month, just 37% of small and medium-sized enterprises have made sufficient, or in some cases any, preparations for a no-deal Brexit.

Gove, the chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster, is now considering offering financial incentives to small companies which have not yet made any preparations for no-deal.

However, concerns have already been raised that such a scheme could not be introduced before exit day on October 31.

The Treasury said it did not comment on leaks."

Westministenders: Slow News Fake News
Westministenders: Slow News Fake News
Westministenders: Slow News Fake News
NoWordForFluffy · 13/10/2019 11:32

The language used by Smug really winds me up. It's like he's dropped out of a Dickens novel (I can't stand Dickens either, other than A Christmas Carol!).

I think the opposition parties have actually been in cahoots as they all seem to have a very similar hymn sheet. This deal isn't going to fly.

tobee · 13/10/2019 11:33

I'm glad you put "metaphorically" in there Fluffy! Grin

I know there was an empire at the time, but only a total arse would refer to a King Emperor.

Really, brexit should be revoked. Not because it's hard, because it's silly.

DGRossetti · 13/10/2019 11:33

No-deal Brexit will hit leave-voting areas hardest, says report

Fancy that ! Giving posh twats a kicking by doing exactly what posh twats asked you to do hasn't gone all that well. I can't imagine what could have possibly gone wrong. It'll need a lot of expert brainpower to get to the bottom of that mystery.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/10/2019 11:34

I have never thought JRM amusing;
he is genuinely dangerous, but hidden behind the deliberately humourous image of an English uc eccentric,
which much of England still seems to find so charming Confused

54321go · 13/10/2019 11:36

JRM telling leavers that "compromise is inevitable"
Well it is the nearest thing to the truth that has been said for a long time. Unfortunately not qualified by exactly what will be compromised.

ContinuityError · 13/10/2019 11:41

Interesting snippet from a long thread by @Mij_Europe:

According to my chats, BJ has moved in 3 major ways.

1/ BJ believes DUP could accept a “type of customs border” in Irish Sea as Govt has already conceded regulatory border. This is where May’s customs partnership for Northern Ireland comes into play.

2/ BJ has accepted that unionists can't have upfront veto.

3/ BJ has accepted that consent can't be “a rolling process.”

A senior Irish official continues: “The mechanism that is being discussed now will just happen once and that’s it. It will be a one-off political event that decides definitively if the North stays aligned to the Single Market and the customs union. In or out. That’s it. Start is in. There’s a question of when that mechanism will be litigated.”

If correct, BJ has addressed all EU & Dublin's concerns. Despite that @BorisJohnson is still confident he can deliver the DUP. Senior officials in Dublin are much more cautious: “Boris thinks he can bring the DUP on board; we don’t know why he has this confidence.”

Basilpots · 13/10/2019 11:46

@BigChocFrenzy

Thanks for that it’s horrendous!!!

In to all that you need to add in all the small businesses that will be wiped out.

But no it’s all just ‘project fear’ !!!!

Hence the new Government backed ‘business bank’ for small and medium sized businesses I mentioned in an earlier post. Somebody somewhere is going to make a tidy profit out of all this.

ListeningQuietly · 13/10/2019 11:47

I hope the weather next Saturday is better than this weekend .....

Basilpots · 13/10/2019 11:53

BJ and ERG are realising what TM learnt in about what 2017 re no deal ???

Sweet Jesus.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/10/2019 11:54

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Here we go, start to disenfranchise people, we know who thats going to affect the most dont we

NoWordForFluffy · 13/10/2019 11:55

It was gorgeous here yesterday. Not so much today!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/10/2019 11:55

Adam Bienkov
@AdamBienkov
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2h
Priti Patel smirking as Andrew Marr reads out warnings from manufacturers about the potential dire economic impact of a no-deal Brexit on their business.

Marr: “I’m not sure why you’re laughing.”

BigChocFrenzy · 13/10/2019 11:57

Basil Some small / micro businesses have already gone under because of low Sterling

I know of 2 niche micro-businesses that did and they specifically gave the Brexit ref & exchange rate as their reasons (EMail of their closing down sale)

Some people won't rebuild their businesses;
those who moved businesses abroad - again I know of a few micro ones - won't go through the expensive palaver of returning and setting up in the UK

So there has been permanent damage

Then there is the £60 billion in estimated lost growth since the ref
and all the billions spent on prepping .....

At least Westministender preppers can enjoy eating their stash if we avoid no deal, so no waste there
but whatever happens now, the Tory's internal catfight has cost 10s of billions

It would be nice if they were ever brought to account

Basilpots · 13/10/2019 12:03

It would be nice if they were ever brought to account

^This x 1000.

Instead they will spend their time trying to make sure the shit for all this lands on anywhere else other than where it belongs 100% The Conservative Party.

ContinuityError · 13/10/2019 12:03

Chichester, which marginally voted to leave the EU, is also featured. The West Sussex Growers’ Association, based near the city, has warned that an exodus of EU seasonal workers would make it impossible “to grow, harvest or pack many crops that are currently grown in Britain”.

And where do you think Rolls Royce motor cars are built?

BigChocFrenzy · 13/10/2019 12:08

Marr: “I’m not sure why you’re laughing.”

because she doesn't fucking care

ListeningQuietly · 13/10/2019 12:55

Priti is rather vacant in the brains department.