Westministenders: Slow News Fake News

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Things have been slow whilst we are in proroguation, ahead of next weeks Queen's Speech and the EU summit.

We've been in full spin mode, from the likes of the far right and an unnamed source at No.10.

People seem to be waking up to the reality that its highly unlikely we will get a deal now, unless something significant. And No.10 has worked out the NI problem. FINALLY.

Anyway, if you have a little time this week and you are interested in the history of where technology change and fake news meet and how where we are now is merely things repeating themselves, Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History, is essential viewing.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00095hv/ian-hislops-fake-news-a-true-history

I really feel strongly this is stuff that should be being taught in schools somehow as its what protects us from extremism.

How would this rumoured deal work in the NI if we do a deal with the US and the rest of us end up with their fake cheese and chlorinated chicken.

Fake cheese and chlorinated chicken needs parliamentary scrutiny first.

Queen, the opposition get to sit on the nasty gits while the nasty gits are a minority government as the nasty gits won't get anything really shit through Parliament.

It would mean that the chlorinated chicken stays in Great Britain and can’t cross the Irish sea.

Regulatory border in the Irish Sea to keep dodgy food and manufactured goods off the island of Ireland was in Johnson’s last proposal.
It is an easy give for the UK. Even much of the DUP support wants that.

Whatever they have discussed, it still would need to be got through Parl, and that’s the sticking point of any compromise.

Personally I think this is a form of PR so that they can both say they compromised when it doesn’t get adequate Parliamentary support.

Knowing the red lines I think it’s far more likely that Boris caved than Varadkar - the latter literally can’t And Boris is the weaker politician.

Hmmm. Brexit is just a variety of self-harm deals done in different ways. But if there's a choice, I would go for the one which honours the GFA and allows the medicines to flow.

Having said that, this scenario relies on the opposition being passive spectators who only have the choice between No-Deal and a rewritten May's Deal. There's already rumours going on about what could be tabled on Saturday by Labour or the SNP.

I also think this is about PR - to show the world BoZo does respect GFA and hint that it is the EU who has the issue. Leo may not want a united Ireland which is where one of the alternative scenarios end up. Boris looks like he can suddenly do actual work and propose something serious rather than something found inside a cracker and it makes the markets soar again.

I have very little faith this won't end in "nasty EU trashing the shot at a deal we had!" talk in a few days.

How would this rumoured deal work in the NI if we do a deal with the US and the rest of us end up with their fake cheese and chlorinated chicken.m

Everyone go vegan I'm kidding but it would be funny if there was no market for anything from the US food wise.

If the new deal goes through will there still have to be a technical extension to get it into law as a Bill? Or could they get it done by 31st?

Queen, the opposition get to sit on the nasty gits while the nasty gits are a minority government as the nasty gits won't get anything really shit through Parliament.

Yes, but Theresa May & her gits spent 3 years negotiating before anything was put in front of Parliament. What if we get near the end of the transition period and Bozo’s clowns fail to get their deal through? (As I sincerely hope they wouldn’t if it’s as damaging as we expect.) Another cliff edge? Does the country need another 2 years (or whatever we have left now) of uncertainty?

I know I'm being a miserable pessimist (my DH has let me know ) and I should be rejoicing at the chance of a deal, but I’m currently failing to see a happy ending.

Bercows I would happily go veggie if we did trade meat with US, but I don't know where the veg would come from!

We have all talked about cities - but what about farmers? Irish farmers saved while the English, Scottish and Walsh ones are sent to the wall...... and yes they shouldn't have voted leave..... but it just makes me so sad for them......

I just wonder if the Irish are "doing a British", and leaking positive vibes to try and pressure the other party ? Because that's certainly been what the UK has done for two whole years. It would be incredible if someone hadn't noticed and decided to play the tactic forwards.

It’s not just chicken and cheese that’s the worry.

The crap US allows in its cosmetics and toiletries is frightening.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/22/chemicals-in-cosmetics-us-restricted-eu

FWIW I do know that the chlorine on the chlorinated chicken won’t kill me. However the all the bad stuff that the chlorine is meant to kill and doesn’t always is not so great.

Red Nikki daCosta has tweeted that she is still working is that good ?

Late thank you for the thread, Red.

I too am sceptical over the sudden positivity about a deal. Both sides do have to show they are still working towards one (otherwise the blame game will start again), but Leo appears to be an honest and more straightforward politician, unlike Boris, so when he says he can 'see a path' maybe he can. Part of me is quite annoyed if they do actually find a deal, I feel like shouting 'why didn't you find this earlier, it would have saved so much angst?'

He may see a path, whether he can get Boris to walk it is another matter. Not convinced Boris can walk in straight lines anyway.

If it does go through, it would be the solution originally agreed in December 2017 before Arlene threw a fit....

He may see a path, whether he can get Boris to walk it is another matter. Not convinced Boris can walk in straight lines anyway.

Perhaps it's like the path in Mirkwood in Lord of the Rings. Stay on the path or else fall prey to giant spiders, but the path was very hard to follow. My money's on Boris being trapped by spiders whilst Leo is rescued by the Elves.

It does seem suspicious that there is suddenly a way forward that the past three years failed to identify.

It’s not a new way is it it’s an old way repackaged.

@JeSuisPoulet
I don’t think a United Ireland is on the cards any time soon but I think Varadkar would absolutely take it if he thought it was actually achievable.
The 40 year old son of an immigrant achieving what all the nationalist have dreamed of since the foundation of the State? He could retire and spend 50 years basking in the glory.

Johnson has form for agreeing with the person in front of him at the time but changing/reinterpreting what was said when confronted by a different opinion of someone who's support he needs.

I think it is significant that the meeting was mostly just the two of them.

It’s not a new way is it it’s an old way repackaged.

Why was it rejected the first time round?

It was rejected the first time as the DUP objected to N.I. being treated differently. May then extended it so that the whole UK would be in a customs union with the EU and follow single market rules in an attempt to get the DUP onboard. However, the DUP still refused to back it and the ERG threw a fit.

Resurrecting it means that Johnson turns his back on the DUP. However, this is not the same as selling N.I. down the river. the majority of people in NI preferred special status to No Deal.

Why was it rejected the first time round?

The ERG objected to the 'all UK' customs union part of the backstop in the WA, Labour objected to the 'blind Brexit' nature of the PD. Both the WA and PD had to be passed at the same time.