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Will Johnson actually push the button on no deal?

71 replies

Bearbehind · 08/10/2019 19:31

His plan is clearly to try and ‘scare’ the EU into agreeing to any old deal.

But it’s not working.

He knows no deal will be a disaster.

But which gives first

  • Will the EU blink?
  • Will he extend?
  • Will he go for no deal?
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Antigonads · 08/10/2019 19:32

God I hope so. Can’t stand much more of this.

morrisseysquif · 08/10/2019 19:33

I'm confused, wasn't there a law to ensure a no deal brexit would NOT happen?

RolytheRhino · 08/10/2019 19:34

God I hope so. Can’t stand much more of this.

This.

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Bearbehind · 08/10/2019 19:35

The act to prevent no deal only served to make things even worse, despite the fact that barely seemed possible.

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bellinisurge · 08/10/2019 19:35

No @morrisseysquif , that was only for the 31 October deadline. New extension, new deadline, new opportunity for no Deal.

BeardedMum · 08/10/2019 19:39

What do people mean by can’t stand much more of this? What do you think comes after no deal?

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 08/10/2019 19:39

II'm confused, wasn't there a law to ensure a no deal brexit would NOT happen^

I’m confused too. Johnson keeps saying we’ll be leaving on 31st Oct. then again he says a lot of stuff, most of it isn’t true.

So confused and scared right now.

Antigonads · 08/10/2019 19:41

A no deal would at least be a breaking point from which we could move on. This is just purgatory.

Notonthestairs · 08/10/2019 19:45

We would move on - we'd move on to immediately trying to do a deal with the EU. At which point they will slap out a version of the WA and request payment of monies owing and off we go again (but against backdrop of Yellowhammer issues). Yay. Freedom/more purgatory.

Velveteenfruitbowl · 08/10/2019 19:45

The act is meaningless. In order to prevent no deal we either have to pass a deal or agree an extension (which isn’t looking likely, it would seem the other MS feel like antigonads). Without that brexit will happen automatically, Parliament can hardly unilaterally force an extension on the other MS. I would imagine BJ is trying to use the act to force Parliament into passing Teressa’s deal/whatever deal he can get the EU to agree with.

RolytheRhino · 08/10/2019 19:47

What do you think comes after no deal?

We move on from this never-ending nonsense. It's the worst ever will-they-won't-they uncertainty and it's dragged on far too long. Rip off the plaster already.

Velveteenfruitbowl · 08/10/2019 19:48

@Notonthestairs but maybe at that point people would realise the EU is a lost cause? There’s no way anyone will be able to agree a quick trade deal with them, they’ve been quite generous in offering us one really. Australia on the other hand seem quite keen although I’m not sure what we’re going to do with a boundless supply of uggs and artisanal teas. Upgrade on the wine though!

ContinuityError · 08/10/2019 19:48

Is it possible that Johnson will try the argument that the extension granted to 31/10 has expired as it’s not possible to agree a deal? So, exit with no deal before 19/10 and he can still send a pointless letter asking for an extension knowing that he fulfils the requirements of the Benn Act?

lljkk · 08/10/2019 19:51

What do we move on to , Roly?
Do you believe that under Crash-Out terms there may be difficulties importing or exporting, getting spare parts or skilled labour?

Would the UK be an attractive place for investment?

Who will we sell our fish to (66% currently goes to EU)?
Who will we import our food from (33% currently from EU)?

Dongdingdong · 08/10/2019 19:51

The act to prevent no deal only served to make things even worse, despite the fact that barely seemed possible.

In what way @Bearbehind?

rosie39forever · 08/10/2019 19:54

A no deal would not be ripping the plaster off and getting it over with, it would be at least a decade of trade deals and talks, to get us back to the standards we have now. All this while the economy is in the toilet and everyone's standard of living plummets fucking fantastic.

RolytheRhino · 08/10/2019 19:57

Do you believe that under Crash-Out terms there may be difficulties importing or exporting, getting spare parts or skilled labour?

Quite possibly. We'll get through it.

Would the UK be an attractive place for investment?

Depends. Is the only thing we offer to investors currently the fact we're in the EU? If so then we're probably fucked.

Who will we sell our fish to (66% currently goes to EU)?

God knows. After all, only the EU eats fish. Before we were members of the EU it rotted in the streets.

Who will we import our food from (33% currently from EU)?

No idea. Presumably we'll all starve, as only the EU produces food.

What do we move on to , Roly?

The apocalypse, clearly.

Notonthestairs · 08/10/2019 19:57

Velveteen - I like your thinking re the wine but my recycling can confirm we do already have access to that!

We need a deal with our nearest trading bloc - and quick, easy access to and from Rotterdam to enable trade with non EU countries.

And to retain peace in Northern Ireland.

I appreciate people are bored of it all - I am too - but it's no reason to saddle ourselves with the problems arising from crashing out.

ContinuityError · 08/10/2019 19:58

Upgrade on the wine though!

Err, no. EU tariffs on wine are about 8p to 15p a bottle depending on still or sparkling (assuming there isn’t already an FTA in place). UK excise duty on the other hand ... £2.16 a bottle.

Ziraphale · 08/10/2019 20:13

A no deal would at least be a breaking point from which we could move on. This is just purgatory.

And if you're feeling like this, it means the hard brexiteers tactics have worked.

If a hard brexit had been put to the public right after the referendum, there would have rightly been an outcry. Turning it into a perceived limbo until people are saying "we don't care, just get on with it" has been a way of gradually wearing down the public to accept the unacceptable.

People like BoJo and JRM do not have the best interests of the average person at heart. And the moment you stop caring, the moment you stop being outraged by the outrageous is the moment they've got exactly what they want.

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Bearbehind · 08/10/2019 20:15

In what way

In the way that trying to forbid anyone from doing anything makes them want it even more on principle.

Even if we don’t ‘no deal’ now, there will be a way it can happen.

The rhetoric about ‘do or die’ etc, has only made things worse.

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Antigonads · 08/10/2019 20:17

I beg to differ. The shenanigans of the Remainers doing everything possible to frustrate and nothing to facilitate has lead people including the EU to think Brexit wouldn’t happen.

StackOfOldMistyComics · 08/10/2019 20:18

Turning it into a perceived limbo until people are saying "we don't care, just get on with it" has been a way of gradually wearing down the public to accept the unacceptable.

Agree completely. And yet it's starting to work on me. I barely follow the news these days because Johnson's antics are basically one insult to my intelligence after another. It's getting to the stage where I'm thinking Christ, just fuck off and do what you like.

Which is horrifying.

BeardedMum · 08/10/2019 20:21

Yes it’s the fault of the remainers of course. Why on earth should remainers help facilitate Brexit? It’s for the leave side to put their plan into action maid non? Except there was no plan🤷🏻‍♀️

53rdWay · 08/10/2019 20:23

A no deal would not be ripping the plaster off and getting it over with, it would be at least a decade of trade deals and talks,

Yes! It is worrying that so many people have been led to believe that crashing out without a deal will ‘get it over with’. No, no it won’t, all this will drag on and on.