So it IS no deal then

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Shit...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/08/boris-johnson-ready-to-give-up-on-brexit-deal

I wouldn’t count on anything until midnight on the 31st.
All this briefing & leaking of information ramps up the pressure nicely on the other side.

I do not want yet another extension
it is just paralysing the country and allowing the festering sore to grow

Hungary will not piss off Germany, France and Spain - they need EU money much too much.

Bozo is a liar and Cummings is a nihilist anarchist

I cannot see a way through right now

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That made me roar with laughter! What, some one who will fully lies to the Queen (and the rest of the country on an almost daily basis) Of course he would!! Sorry, I should have been more clear that I was being sarcastic

According to Adam Fleming - a voice like Katya Adler - that I have some faith in, Angela Merkel has not written off the chances of a deal because that's not her style.
However, flouncy pasty boy Johnson would write them off because he confuses politeness from Merkel with acquiescence and doesn't get that people are both polite about but firm on an issue.

Can’t wait for the next Brexitcast...

Surely the EU are sick of it all now & would rather we just bugger off?
We’re never going to agree a deal so let’s just walk away, what we should have done in the first place.

The requirements of the Benn Act will step in and there will be an extension. I think it will be for two years rather than three months.

It's a complete fucking disaster. An election won't solve anything, it's asking too much of people to expect them to select their MP solely on one issue. There needs to be another referendum.

My bet is on both an extension an no deal.

Predicted timeline:

Extension (he has to ask and the EU will definitely grant it - they do not want to be seen to be pushing us into no deal, and having to take the blame for the chaos)
General Election (Once extension and immediate no deal averted, Labour and the rest of the opposition will have no more reasons to delay)
Tory majority on Deal/No Deal Manifesto (Hard Brexit votes move to the Conservatives while the left splits between Labour/Lib Dems/SNP/Greens etc
No deal will ever be agreed while insisitng that NI leaves on the same terms as the rest of the UK. It simply is not compatible with the GFA
No Deal Brexit
Irish Reunification

labour will win and do fuck knows

They'll offer a second referendum. Which is the most democratic of all the available options.

(But I'd agree that any GE will result in a hung parliament.)

That is my prediction too eastcoastdamsel

On the subject of a GE, can we wait until Spring please? For those of us that actively campaign, it's miserable - and pretty dangerous - to campaign in winter.

The European Council's president, Donald Tusk, has accused Boris Johnson of playing a "stupid blame game" on Brexit as relations with the United Kingdom reach a new low.


An exasperated Tusk tweeted Tuesday morning that Johnson didn't "want a deal." 


Also poor weather means lower voter turnout. Which we definitely don't want.

Boris was never looking for a deal IMO, just for someone to blame for not getting one. Another failure to add to his long list that he is racking up with alarming speed in his new job! Anyone else would have been sacked by now, he's surely failed probation

Not sure if the EU will agree to another extension either, they are as sick of it all as we are tbh. I do think no-deal would be very damaging to the economy so I'd rather avoid that (I'd rather avoid leaving at all but if we are going to do it, I'd like it to be in the least damaging way possible).

Ireland isn't ready for reunification. The old wounds are nowhere near well healed enough for that. That can't be the answer.

Labour have said they will offer a referendum after they have negotiated a deal and will then campaign against their own deal. So they will go to the EU, renegotiate a deal other than the one the EU have already wasted 3 years negotiating and ask them to piss about renegotiating another deal that they will then not support in their own referendum.

@MindyStClaire you are right, and I don't think it will happen quickly, or without a lot of heartache but when Loyalists are starting to mention Irish unification publicly, it seems at least possible.

EastCoastDamsel The problem is that if reunification is to be the solution to Brexit, it would have to happen very quickly indeed. I just don't think either side of the Border is ready.

I dont think reunification can be the solution to Brexit ( thats what Brexiteers want) but it may well be the consequence. The mainland has shown how little they care or even consider NI, the hardcore on either side are getting older and they may just decide they are better off together in the EU. West and East Germany were reunified when E Germany were so much poorer than W.Germany. They would get a lot of assistance from the EU.

Oh, I don't think it a solution, but an unintended (if predictable) consequence.

How will getting an extension help us? The EU may not even grant one and will only do so if there are proposals they can work with. There are no proposals on offer that I can see. Ask for an extension is something the government must do but we'll be in the same position in a few months time.

It won't help us (not really anyway). It will delay the inevitable, for a little while but tbh, the long-term economic impact has already happened.

I doubt that Hungary would veto the extension for 2 reasons:

1. As PPs suggested the UK/US governments could never offer the same level of continuous financial support as the EU.

1. Hungarians traditionally support Ireland over the UK. Both are Catholic countries. Northern Ireland is often compared to Transylvania, and the whole objective of the alt right in Hungary is to "return" (not my words) Transylvania into the motherland.