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Westminstenders: The Slow No

943 replies

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2019 07:38

Have to make this quick.

Johnson has made an 'offer' to the EU. Let's stress this isn't a deal because they haven't agreed.

The EU have made kind noises about it but will say no thanks.

The UK are expecting this, and despite what's been said apparently are expecting more negotiation on this.

The DUP and the ERG seem to be on board with the proposal meaning in theory Johnson might have numbers to get through parliament. Except its not a deal so this is currently meaningless.

Parliament is prorogued again from next week with the Queen's Speech the following week.

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DGRossetti · 03/10/2019 18:49

US companies want to buy distressed distilleries at knock-down prices.

MockersthefeMANist · 03/10/2019 18:50

...and Airbus manufacture in Wales.

(It is sometimes alleged that yanks think Wales is part of Scotland.)

tobee · 03/10/2019 18:50

Also feeling fed up today.

Obviously it will be great to avoid No Deal, but what's left after that won't be good or simple. Sad

Motheroffourdragons · 03/10/2019 18:55

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MockersthefeMANist · 03/10/2019 18:59

Mockers - surely they're not that stupid.

Don't put it past some of them.

Tales abound of the compulsory English language tests for foreign students at US universities, where students from England are exempt but not if you're from Scotland, or Australia where they speak French.
("Or is that Canada?")

Motheroffourdragons · 03/10/2019 19:03

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mathanxiety · 03/10/2019 19:07

Pulling up a pew.

Outsomnia · 03/10/2019 19:08

In a brave move the Chief Constable of the PSNI has said his force will NOT police border checkpoints, end of story.

twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1179788329224679424

Frankiestein402 · 03/10/2019 19:16

Apart from the parallel wto case exploring Boeing subsidies I suspect that Boeing are already between a rock and a hard place because of the 737 max debacle - in the next year they are going to need serious goodwill from EASA and the Chinese or even more subsidy from US gov!

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/10/2019 19:23

God almighty! If PSNI won't police the border (and who can blame them) then, if this does go ahead, It will be British troops having to do it instead.

And we all know how that will turn out.

Apileofballyhoo · 03/10/2019 19:26

Are there any Leaver MPs (who were not originally Remainers, just to be clear) who are against No Deal in the sense of being willing to support a realistic deal?

I thought of Lady H too for PM, but she's a Remainer, though I agree outside the main party politics.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2019 19:28

Sanctions are because of the long-running Airbus-Boeing dispute
(they are both subsidised)

The WTO decision later on the case against Boeing subsidies is likely to also give permission for sanctions against US goods

SInce the wings are made in the UK, the UK could still be affected after Brexit

However, BJ is likely to ask Trump to drop sanctions on UK goods like Scotch as a goodwill gesture ahead of US FTA talks

Let's see if the "Art of the Deal" author gives anything without getting something in return
Don't hold your breath ....

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2019 19:30

The GNU would be about 95% Remainer MPs, so I expect most would want a Remainer PM

  • that's one of the objections many of them have to Corbyn
IrenetheQuaint · 03/10/2019 19:31

Lady H would be a fab interim PM

MockersthefeMANist · 03/10/2019 19:34

PSNI won't police the border...

I expect they want to stay indoors where it's safe.

Peter Hain was on BBC News Channel this afternoon. He said that WTO Rules would require the Republic to put up the full Customs Post with stripey barrier and all, and the BJ govt. must know this.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2019 19:39

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-asked-jennifer-arcuri-to-join-him-on-tel-aviv-trade-trip-says-former-aide-11826332

Boris Johnson asked for Jennifer Arcuri to be included on a trade trip to Tel Aviv while he was mayor of London,
one of his former advisers has told Sky News.
....
A person who works for the current administration at City Hall said that to their knowledge
it was the only time the mayor's office had overruled a decision about which businesses should be allowed to attend a trade mission.

GeistohneGrenzen · 03/10/2019 19:42

pmk and thank you Red

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2019 19:49

What is BJ thinking ?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/will-leave-voters-forgive-a-brexit-delay/amp/?

The odds are that negotiations will have broken down before the EU Council in mid-October.

The Benn Act legally obliges the UK government to seek an extension on 19 October if no agreement with the EU has been reached.

Downing Street, though, is adamant that it won’t be requesting an extension - but neither will the Prime Minister disobey the law. Those close to him are clear that he won’t resign either.
He doesn’t want to give up the job
....
No. 10 is frantically looking for loopholes in the Benn Act,
a plausible way to avoid sending the letter which isn’t simply breaking the law.

They know that whatever the legal justification for their actions, they’ll be challenged in court - and will probably lose.

Indeed, the Supreme Court appeared to anticipate a challenge to the Benn Act when, in its decision that prorogation was unlawful,
it warned that the executive cannot render a ‘statute nugatory through recourse to the prerogative’.

So if any escape plan is doomed, why bother?
The answer is that No. 10 thinks it needs to try, so as to be seen to be doing every-thing in its power to keep its promise of leaving by 31 October
....
If the Prime Minister is forced to write a letter by parliament and by the judges (so the argument goes), Leave-supporting voters will blame them, not him.
Other options are being assessed:
for example, playing with the wording of the letter.

A senior Downing Street source predicts that when the letter arrives,
the EU will need to send for its lawyers to understand the implications of what the UK government is saying.
But the EU is likely to grant an extension anyway - and see if an election changes anything.
Even if the EU is becoming less keen on the UK staying in, it would still prefer to avoid no deal.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2019 19:55

Clear video explanation for farmers about how No Deal will affect them.

National Farmers' Union@NFUtweets

A no-deal Brexit would be catastrophic for British farming.

We're calling for an urgent review of the government's no-deal trade tariff schedule. Here's why...

https://mobile.twitter.com/NFUtweets/status/1177599489709940741

Apileofballyhoo · 03/10/2019 19:58

Do the UK have to ask for an extension? As in did TM actually ask for one or did the EU say 'here you go, have an extension'?

Apileofballyhoo · 03/10/2019 19:59

Does^

MockersthefeMANist · 03/10/2019 20:02

UK has to ask for an extension, and EU doesn't have to grant it.

(But they would if there was a chance it avoided the No Deal Shitshow.)

And UK can always revoke without any permission needed.

Ellie56 · 03/10/2019 20:04

This may be a very silly question but why do we export our lamb to the EU and then import more lamb from NZ? Confused

prettybird · 03/10/2019 20:07

They can also insist on giving the UK a different length extension to the one that the UK asks for - as happened to May back in April.