Westminstenders: The Slow No

[RedToothBrush]

Have to make this quick.

Johnson has made an 'offer' to the EU. Let's stress this isn't a deal because they haven't agreed.

The EU have made kind noises about it but will say no thanks.

The UK are expecting this, and despite what's been said apparently are expecting more negotiation on this.

The DUP and the ERG seem to be on board with the proposal meaning in theory Johnson might have numbers to get through parliament. Except its not a deal so this is currently meaningless.

Parliament is prorogued again from next week with the Queen's Speech the following week.

This is a dumb question, i know.. but so confused!
Re. the whole civil unrest prophecy - put extremely simplistically, who is expected to perform it?
If BJ gets his way and we leave with no deal, Remainers know what will be coming next, so no shock horror there, we expect a lot of shite to say the least. Leavers.. well we would have left, yep, just as they wanted, hoorah! If they get pissed off about the fallout, they created it, what will they rebel against?

prettybird,

Thanks for the explanation, but it can be a bit distracting! I suppose it may depend on whether you think cats are delightful or not.

I know which cohort I fall into!

As its soon Halloween!

How I feel about Xmas with Boris the animal still PM

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Whoops its done it!

Has there been a single Queen’s Speech in history that was not, by definition, a political exercise?

If the Queen is opening Parliament after an election, then the winning side is repeating their manifesto with the hope that they will see the Parliamentary year through. Come the next session and they still have the majority, then they are still trying to put forward their manifesto.

Theresa May mucked it up by having a two year term, initially.

Quite different to having a Queen's speech when you hope to have an election within a few weeks, which you hope to win, and then have to write another speech.

Leavers.. well we would have left, yep, just as they wanted, hoorah! If they get pissed off about the fallout, they created it, what will they rebel against?

The "Remoaners" for not giving them the Brexit they thought they were voting for - all 17 million versions of it.

Normally a queens speech is bringing forward legislation that will shortly have to be carried out. Not the case here so they can promise twenty thousand new hospitals safe in the knowledge they never have to deliver

If I was HMQ I’d come down with a nasty bug on the morning in question!

Will proroguation be the same as last time?

There was the Queen's representative talking about what the Government had achieved in this Parliament. I presume they will have to say it all again?

I presume they will have to say it all again?

Well, at least the lazy so and so, which Johnson is, won't have to bother to write another one.

We have the longest Parliamentary session because after they lost their majority in the 2017 GE, the Tories decided on a 2-year Parliament

A QS is pointless, since the govt is powerless to pass bills - it now has only 288 Tory MPs, partly due to BJ expelling so many

Well pointless for the country, not the Tory party:

• BJ delays PMQs until about 14 October, hence avoids answering e.g. whether he will request an extension
• it provides a 5 day long Tory Party political broadcast paid for by taxpayers
• with the prorogation, it wastes several more days to help run down time to No Deal

A QS is supposed to be the govt saying what it will do
BJ's govt is impotent and can't get any bills up

QS is amendable, isnt it? Should be interesting, at least.

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

Why is Boris Johnson probably planning to extend whilst vehemently pretending he won’t?

Because for him, the vehemence is an end in itself.
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A Brexit extension could be just what Boris Johnson wants

news.sky.com/story/a-brexit-extension-could-be-just-what-boris-johnson-wants-11827675

Sounds interesting to watch, if anyone is near London

Tom Newton Dunnn@tnewtondunn*

“The great mystery of our time is the insatiable desire of the people of this country to be fucked by an Old Etonian”.
Hugely enjoyed watching Hansard at @NationalTheatre tonight. Superbly written and surprisingly moving.

What would Johnson do if, after an extension, for whatever reason, Corbyn wasn't the leader of the opposition by the time of the election? Somebody actually, you know, capable.

I know it's not going to happen, for a myriad of reasons, not least of which Labour and Len and Lansman would see to it some other twerp would be leader. A change of leader might well not be a runaway success but surely it would wing Johnson? A bit?

Yes I know a Labour leadership election is the last thing we need.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1180163326208303104

This thread is well worth reading on BoJo's possible schenanigans with Hungary and its implications

Not sure if this has already been posted.

petition.parliament.uk/signatures/75405025/signed

Can’t see Rory Stewart succeeding in a London mayor bid. Much as he has an appeal, he’s not a Londoner. I don’t think he has any particular links to London at all, does he?
I think a lot of people like Sadiq; he’s alright. He has emotional ties to the city and he’s not an Eton ex-Tory.
Nah, can’t see Rory in London. Not sure what he’s playing at. What’s the game-plan?

DGR
The principle [of the FTPA] was sound - the country has been damaged by governments being able to pull an election when it suits them which is gaming democracy however you want to look at it.

Ultimately, a government could only game the previous system up until dawn broke on polling day - it was in the end up to the electorate to decide. Gaming democracy has its limits, as demonstrated by Theresa May's 2017 gamble.

Agree that you can't tinker with the odd bit here and the odd bit there in the British constitution without the law of unintended consequences kicking in big time.

I woke in the night as I often do and was stuck on Johnson's confidence that we are leaving despite the Benn Act. I don't believe it's just electioneering. He is confident for some shabby secret reason.

Thursdays visiting delegation of Hungarian officials (led by Hungary's Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó) is odd isn't it ?
He was photographed leaving the Cabinet Office and Johnson was in there chairing an Emergency Cabinet meeting?

Johnson has surely offered Orbán’s team some kind of bung in exchange for vetoing an extension request? If so don’t many Leavers have a problem with that? Surely it’s not ok to impose leave at any price at all?

Johnson has been so confident we will still leave despite the letter. Veto assurances from Hungary is the only thing that would explain his confidence.

A victory won by giving tax payers' money or promises to a horrid far-right government is too high a price to pay isn't it? Even for the Tommy Robinson types?
If a course of action is right it should be achieved by persuading parliament and the 48% by the merits of the plan not by deceitful collusion with the dodgiest EU member to pursue no plan.

A victory won by giving tax payers' money or promises to a horrid far-right government is too high a price to pay isn't it? Even for the Tommy Robinson types?

Of course those stoopid forriners are going to go along with what they want, they recognise the British superiority in these matters, after all we won the war dontcha ya know, and who cares if we dont give the forriners what we promised because theyre stoopid forriners and deserved it in the first place

Think thats probably the gist of it lonely

Michael Rosen
@MichaelRosenYes
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News in: the ditch that Boris Johnson has said that he would die in has been located. Photographs to appear later.

Nah, can’t see Rory in London. Not sure what he’s playing at. What’s the game-plan?

Salvaging his political career, with a gig that his higher profile than being an MP in the sticks.