Westminstenders: The Tory Party Spectacular

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A row over parliamentary language and conduct and how MPs are afraid of extremists has over shadowed talk of Brexit.

Cummings has said if you don't want to leave without a deal, vote for a deal.

Yet there isn't a Johnson approved one in front of the Commons and the EU are utterly despairing of Johnson's blank non papers and his full on Trump bullshit.

Then there's the threats to the rule of law.

Apparently there are five known suggestions to bypass the Benn Act and refuse to ask for an extension.
See Twitter Thread Here

This weekend sees the start of the Tory Party Conference. With a parliamentary vote to block a recess, its rather scuppered plans for the rest of the conference. Johnson's planned speech at the conference clashes with PMQ so he may well not attend the Commons.

Expect the conference to be.... Er... Inflammatory...

Is this a message to BJ from the queen?

Watch your step ladies 🤣🤣

She can't comment or get involved but she is saying 'I can leak things too'.

*ladies bloody autocorrect should be laddie

The case they will have in mind is the dismissal of Australian PM Gough Whitlam in 1975 by the Governor General, the Queen's representative, using the constitutional powers derived from the Royal Perogative.

Is the UK considered a colony of the UK ?

For some reason - totally non-Brexity, but legally of interest, I find a recent ruling fascinating. Turns out email signatures are as valid as ink ones ...

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/30/email_signature_legally_binding_contract/

I think what is most interesting is the approach the judge took in coming to their decision. Basically they inverted the outcome and said "If the ruling goes the other way, it leads to all sorts of contradictions ..." so the decision is actually in line with previous rulings.

I did law and technology as part of my degree - the bit where you had to show you were looking at "social implications of technology".

Is this a message to BJ from the queen?

She doesn't need subterfuge. She can pick up the phone and tell him he's a twat.

If it is a message then it's to us - the people she can't rightly ring up - and more importantly, the people around Boris. Because you can only be doing what Boris is doing in the dark. I would be amazed if the cabinet have the faintest idea who he is dealing with and when. Usually there's a point in mud slinging where you pause and accept that in reality your opponents aren't as thick as mince. However, following the maxim "best be prepared", I think the doctrine of collective responsibility - which SCOTUK took great pains to reference last week - needs to be refreshed and reminded. If Boris were to act illegally as PM, he's putting other heads into nooses too. Or, to use a more exact image, putting other necks on the block.

The US president stands alone as president - impeachment applies only to the person. But the UK Prime Minister is - as Boris should know - prima inter pares and comes with a matching cabinet.

...Arguably the last colony. We were subjects not citizens until 1981, unable to know what biscuits the Ministry of Defence serves the Secretary of State, or any other unpublished govt information, until 1989.

basically what the English did to the Welsh

Lets not forget the 'Welsh Not' to try and eradicate the Welsh language

what the English did to the Welsh

That would be the Normans. Not the poor sod English peasantry.

Are they the same Normans who still own most of the wealth of the UK?

bcf I got the "no deal" stuff from convos on these threads at the beginning of the month. Conversations you responded to.
Just because I'm not that regular a poster here and I'm not thread royalty there is no need for the at me saying something entirely reasonable.

The British Empire does still have a few colonies left: the main ones being Scotland, Wales and NI .....and I'd add in Gibraltar to that a few more willing than others I think that there are also some good examples of Stockholm Syndrome

Time for my regular recommendation of this book : Internal Colonialism: The Celtic Fringe in British National Development https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0765804751/ref=cmswrcpapiioFDKDbQP1KQ87

Speaking of (ex) colonies ...

Prince would be proud ....

I think this is the same Charlotte Edwardes who’s in a relationship with Robert Peston?

That was my understanding too, Hester. Oh to be a fly on the wall of their dining room when they were discussing going public on something that quite a few journos most likely already knew about...

For some reason I saw this and though "Herman Johnson". I wonder if he has a pet lion ? Is "Boris Goering" more Germanic ? Or less Turkish. Speaking of which, it seems the worries about an influx of Turks was exaggerated, but correct. Boris is a one-man influx.

I’m not sure I get your point here, DGR. You seem to be saying that a posh English person dressed in a manner synonymous with the English upper classes and indulging in a pastime associated with said upper classes is somehow German? And that being German or indeed having Turkish ancestry is somehow a bad thing? He’s just a tosser and it’s not because he’s foreign!

I’m not sure I get your point here, DGR. You seem to be saying that a posh English person dressed in a manner synonymous with the English upper classes and indulging in a pastime associated with said upper classes is somehow German?

Herman Goering was a massive fan of the British aristocracy (as were a lot of top Nazis), and liked to ponce around in traditional German hunting garb as an homage.

And that being German or indeed having Turkish ancestry is somehow a bad thing?

As a damned foreigner myself, I make no judgement. However we need to remember that one (there were so many) of the lies that Leaver put out was that Turkey was within a rizla width of joining the EU and we'd end up with all their criminals over here.

Turns out not all leave propaganda was lies, then.

If you feel like a brief laugh, read about the swathe one von Ribbentrop cut as Nazi ambassador to the UK before the war. There's definitely a light entertainment programmed in it (who remembers "Private Schultz" ?)

thanks for this, was at work this weekend and can't possibly keep up.

so all the tories are in manchester.

what's going on in parliament?

This is getting like game of thrones.

Quentin I can't remember a post to you with the "" but I wouldn't have meant to offend you
I sometimes use it to mean I'm unsure - hmm - not only when I think something is odd

I sometimes pick the wrong icon anyway, as I have a significant visual disability - hence all the text typos I make too.

squid I've been wondering if the Opposition would start some action in Parliament on Wednesday that brings BJ rushing back just before his speech !

There were rumours of a VONC on Wednesday @BigChocFrenzy but that seems to have quietened down now, sadly.

Not read the thread yet this morning so you may already have discussed but also rumours of changing the Benn act to get BJ to ask for the extension by THIS Saturday! I wonder if this might be one of those weeks where you thought it might be a quieter one, and then it all kicks off, again?!

Well, Tokyo with him being such a bully the other day in Parliament, the Opposition are entitled to pull his chain

It sounds petty, but he was deliberately trying to get them stressed, so calling him away before his speech would be the consequence, to get him stressed

Chaz & Mockers - belated thanks for corrections on newspaper owners - I was going off Wikipedia mostly. I get the Mail dislike Boris because he works for a rival paper but it is certainly strongly pro-Brexit and I'm puzzled why if the owner and editor favour Remain. To retain their strongly pro-Brexit readership?

Bodoni The Mail's Brexit policy was formed by the previous editor, Paul Dacre, who had been there for many years

When he retired a few months ago, he was replaced by Geordie Gregg, who is pro-Remain

This was said by some to be part of a "Mail detoxification" process by the owner, Lord Rothermere,
after ferocious attacks by Dacre on anyone hindering Brexit, including the outrageous "enemies of the people" story against judges in an earlier high court case

Rothermere and his wife are also reportedly Remainers, who were upset by very harsh criticism of the Dacre attack stories from their mostly Remain social circle

WOW, Hammond taking legal advice about tweet from rightwing Brexit hardliner Toby Young

Young has since deleted the Tweet, but not before people took screenshots ....

Hammond didn't mention anything about those BJ hedge-funders to suggest they are Jewish
Being v wealthy /= being Jewish

Philip Hammond*@PhilipHammondUK*

Replying to @toadmeister and @UKLabour

This is self-evidently absurd. But it is also defamatory.

I will be taking legal advice tomorrow morning.
I shall make no further comment.

Catherina#REGISTER2VOTE #RevokeA50@justthevax

Replying to @PhilipHammondUK @toadmeister and @UKLabour go get him!

Here's a screen shot. This tweet has been seen, liked, and retweeted MANY times!

Ah ok, meeting is in 15 minutes with opposition leaders to discuss what to do next...

Lord Rothermere is generally committed to no interference into the editorial line of the newspapers he owns, in response to the 1930s when the then Lord Rothermere drove a fascist editorial line for which the Mail has been condemned ever since.

However, Paul Dacre's swivel-eyed attacks on institutions, Remainers, soft Leavers etc were so violent that Rothermere finally had enough.

(Though Ted Verity at the MoS is now almost as bad.)