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Westminstenders: Silly Season

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RedToothBrush · 22/09/2019 07:03

It's that time of year again when politicians seem to completely lose their marbles in order to impress the faithful. And it is beginning to feel like conference season is increasingly an exercise in religious ferver to the party rather than considering what's in the best interests of the whole country.

Labour have got off to a good start before their conference opens, by almost starting complete melt down.

The Tories have promised to break from convention and try and over shadow the others, so that's something to look forward to.

And early this week we have the supreme Court ruling which could, regardless of which direction it swings, have massive ramifications for our democracy.

Big week ahead.

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ghostofharrenhal · 22/09/2019 12:32

aspirin!

bellinisurge · 22/09/2019 12:34

@PerkingFaintly Grin

tobee · 22/09/2019 12:35

Pmk and appreciating pet pictures on this rainy Sunday!

Peregrina · 22/09/2019 12:43

So, again, all those vox pops of 'left-behind 'Leavers, just why do the media persist with them?

Because they don't want to remind wealthy south easterners that they are a bunch of selfish xenophobic bigots.

QueenMabby · 22/09/2019 12:53

Still lurking although have been a bit behind. Just read the five pages of this thread and my main takeaway has been....
you can get microwaveable slippers??? 😂😂
Off to google now.

thecatfromjapan · 22/09/2019 12:59

Re. labour and Brexit:

The 'neutral' position is, however, tanking with voters. 🤷‍♀️ As everyone knows, it's pushing Labour voters to the Lib Dem's and picking up no new voters.

There is also the issue of funding: if Labour is neutral in a Referendum, its money, resources & data are locked up.

Who will fund a Remain campaign?
Who will organise it?

It's a massive issue.

I'd say the big reason we are where we are is that Labour didn't, haven't and won't come out fighting for Remain.

Remain will lose another Referendum with no organisation or funding.

It really, really matters.

Emilyontmoor · 22/09/2019 13:01

Because they don't want to remind wealthy south easterners that they are a bunch of selfish xenophobic bigots. Let’s not forget there are plenty of middle class / wealthy selfish xenophobic bigots in the North as well, much as some towns and cities contain high levels of deprivation, there are plenty of towns / suburbs where people live comfortable lives devoid of any experience of immigration or deprivation. I offer you a map of Booth’s —even posher than Waitrose— stores, plenty more towns and suburbs for them to expand to in the north east.......

NotaRealLawyer · 22/09/2019 13:14

Downing Street is not happy with " Remaniac" lawyers. Allegedly.
Will they be ignoring Benn if the SC rules against them?

Discussion on what will Rob Buckland do next?
( Apart from playing the saxophone)

twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1175741142069063680

Peregrina · 22/09/2019 13:25

I suppose it's convention not to, but it would be nice if the judges could tell us how they voted, and it would be gratifying to see that there were more Leavers than Remainers.

I wish they could find a way to put Boris Johnson in prison. I expect he's wise enough to not letting someone else take his speeding points, and has already got away with trying to get someone beaten up.

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2019 13:25

Jason Groves @jasongroves1
Foreign Sec Dominic Raab refuses to rule out proroguing parliament again if Supreme Court orders recall. Says he’s ‘keen not to take levers off the table that would weaken the negotiating position in Brussels’. But prorogation wasn’t about Brexit, was it? #Marr

David Allen Green @davidallengreen
This is why, somewhat exceptionally for Supreme Court, we may have a two-stage hand-down of judgement if government loses

First a general declaration of unlawfulness and then, if the matter cannot be sorted out politically, a coercive order

Government can no longer be trusted

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HesterThrale · 22/09/2019 13:34

pretzels I always agree with your posts! But, personally I don’t believe Corbyn, with this policy, can win an election and get the chance to renegotiate/run a PV.

cat good point. I’m unconvinced that an early election or PV will solve anything. Interested in the GNU idea, but what do I know?!

This C4 Tories at War documentary tonight at 10pm might be illuminating.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/channel-4-tories-at-war-documentary-1-6283023

Emilyontmoor · 22/09/2019 13:34

Forgot to link www.booths.co.uk/stores/

HesterThrale · 22/09/2019 13:39

notareallawyer A no.10 source said ‘Remainiac lawyers’???!!!

What on earth is happening to this government? Disgraceful.

mobile.twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/1175741142069063680

MockersthefeMANist · 22/09/2019 13:40

Last time out, Liz Truss sat back and let it all happen. It was open season on the so-called judges after the Miller case, with one lordship being famously damned as a 'self-confessed gay archer.'

(*of the shooty-arrow kind, not the dumdidumdidumdidum kind.)

wheresmymojo · 22/09/2019 13:42

Has anyone seen that Hatey Kockpins has joined UKIP?

Peregrina · 22/09/2019 13:48

I wish Booths would expand south!

Hatey Kockpins joining UKIP - why has she fallen out with Farage?
The UKIP now do seem to be an extreme minority!

ghostofharrenhal · 22/09/2019 13:51

MockersthefeMANist
Grin

NoWordForFluffy · 22/09/2019 13:52

I can't see Booths expanding anywhere. They're not hugely profitable (as these things go!) so I'm not sure they have the funds.

They were going to open one round the corner from my house. It's probably best for my bank balance they didn't.

I'm very interested to see what comes out of the Court this week. I didn't find the government QCs very convincing. But we shall see!

ContinuityError · 22/09/2019 14:06

'self-confessed gay archer.'

I think it was “openly gay ex-Olympic fencer” in the Heil’s “Enemies of the People” splash, which led JK Rowling to say:

If the worst they can say about you is you're an OPENLY GAY EX-OLYMPIC FENCER TOP JUDGE, you've basically won life.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/09/2019 14:07

Will Hutton - good analysis of how the class "war" - by the rulers on the rest of us- has resumed

I too remember the Cabinets of ministers who had served in WW2; some like Ted Heath had even volunteered to fight fascism in Spain, years before then

They had a sense of responsibilty to the "post-war settlement" and the uc & mc had some understanding of the lives og the wc they fought alongside, some empathy.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/sep/22/what-is-it-about-britain-that-has-produced-such-a-litany-of-failed-leaders

Faith in parliamentary democracy is plummeting; belief in strongman politics is rising;
the view that there is an elite, of which the political class is a member, intent only on feathering its own nest and pursuing its own sectarian interests, is widespread.

This mood is even more dangerous than Brexit – it strikes at the legitimacy of the institutions, even the idea of democracy.
The problem originated on the right but it has parallels on the left.

One of the by-products of the two world wars was that they bound the classes together.

The politicians, financiers, business and media leaders who rose to the top from the 1930s to the 1970s were sensitive to the toughness of the lives of ordinary men and women.
They had fought alongside and had depended on them;
they knew they weren’t the shirkers and societal enemies depicted by the right today.

Equally, men had seen their officers fight and die alongside their pals. Whatever their weaknesses and privileges, at bottom they could be trusted.

This was crucial for the construction of the Tory one-nation tradition – in politics and business alike.

Conservatives such as Harold Macmillan or Ted Heath had served in war.
Instinctively, they upheld the principles of the postwar settlement, just as business leaders wanted to run honourable companies that offered pensions, recognised unions and kept their own pay in touch with that of their workers.
It was what you did.
The entitlements that came with leadership were matched by responsibilities.

You might have political opponents and adversaries but they were never despised enemies.

Today, that has been shattered.

The private equity and hedge fund barons who fund Boris Johnson along with the “fuck business”^ prime minister himself feel only entitlement – and no serious responsibility.
They are entitled to great wealth because they are capitalist “buccaneers” who create wealth;
society is lucky to have them and plays no part in the wealth-creation process that is down to them alone.
Skills, infrastructure, science – they are nice to have but essentially second-order concerns.

The political task is to create a Britain fit for even more buccaneering, as free from tax and regulation as possible, especially free from the EU.
A NHS hospital is a place for photo-opportunities rather than representative of an institution in whose values you believe and curate.
Personally, your instinct is to go private, just as you were educated privately.

One of the breathtaking aspects of David Cameron’s memoir is his defence of austerity cast wholly in top-down terms.
....
Perhaps great democratic leaders emerge in much more porous, less class-siloed societies than our own; where their lived experience allows them to reach out to build broad coalitions.

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2019 14:08

Let’s not forget there are plenty of middle class / wealthy selfish xenophobic bigots in the North as well, much as some towns and cities contain high levels of deprivation, there are plenty of towns / suburbs where people live comfortable lives devoid of any experience of immigration or deprivation. I offer you a map of Booth’s —even posher than Waitrose— stores, plenty more towns and suburbs for them to expand to in the north east.......

Hang on a second... Waitrose is supposed to be the supermarket of choice of Remainers if you go by the stereotype! Yet you seem to be suggesting the opposite here.

Not only that, but Booths is NOT necessarily posher than Waitrose.

That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the market and its customer base. Yes there are some like that, but you also have a customer base who are more green and like local produce for environmental reasons (and in some ways more remainy along the culture war lines). It's like comparing a scaled up farm shop supermarket with a posh supermarket with good marketing. Plenty of people who would choose to shop at Booths over Waitrose for this reason, not because they think its posh but because they think it matches their values in a different way and view it as authentic rather than pretentious branding.

In fact if you look at the store list, you'll see places which are either more strongly remain very locally or have strong LD ties than you might expect.

Some of those stores are in very true blue Con country, but that does not mean its all leave blue either. Some are in wider areas with a strong leave presence so are getting lumped as all leave when it's more accurate to describe as small pockets of very concentrated remain.

I note that the NW returned 2 LD MEPs and 1 Green out of 7 MEPs. And present the map here as exhib A to rather highlight my point

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Cherrypi · 22/09/2019 14:11

Free prescriptions would increase costs for an already struggling Nhs. There is already provision for those who struggle to pay or heavy users. Devaluing medication by making it free will probably increase misuse.

Hasenstein · 22/09/2019 14:13

Page 5, eh? Counts as an early PMK nowadays!

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2019 14:15

I can't see Booths expanding anywhere. They're not hugely profitable (as these things go!) so I'm not sure they have the funds.

I believe Booths had a tough year last year. They certainly were struggling, and at one point there was a rumour the family were about to sell up. They've had a refocus over the last couple of years.

They've also said in the past that there is a limit to how much they can / want to expand without damaging their localism ethos, support for farmers and meeting demand because of the limited output of some of their more specialist farmers.

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NoWordForFluffy · 22/09/2019 14:23

It was for sale for a while but no - suitable, maybe - buyer was found.

Their range of locally-produced food is fantastic.

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